Laws broken in Top Gun: Maverick

[mattwithcats]

The biggest error in TG Maverick was the engines…

The only exported model of the F14 had TF30 engines, notorious for compressor stalls.

Only a few US versions had the upgraded F100 engine…

The TF30 killed quite a few aviators who were either unaware or forgot the different flight characteristics between the two…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen

 

[dlundblad]

Next they are going to go after him for transporting illegal substances over international borders in the movie American Made. (Also a good movie.)

 

[Astro14]

The biggest error in TG Maverick was the engines…

The only exported model of the F14 had TF30 engines, notorious for compressor stalls.

Only a few US versions had the upgraded F100 engine…

The TF30 killed quite a few aviators who were either unaware or forgot the different flight characteristics between the two…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen

Kara Hultgreen was killed by pilot error. Straight up. We’ve talked about this.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/blue-angels-first-female-demo-pilot.357354/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/a-question-for-astro.295069/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/f-14-rio.340909/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/still-trying-to-replace-the-f14.286857/page-3

The TF-30 didn’t kill aviators as much as it wrecked airplanes when aviators lost control of the jet following a stall. I have had dozens of compressor stalls - didn’t lose control of the jet. Splitting the throttles in the F-14A would get you a stall. If you would like to know more about the engines, or the jet, I recommend this thread.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/f-14-questions-answered-ask-away.191767/

Look, ejecting at Mach 10 would turn you into a blob of jelly, so, clearly, we are willing to suspend disbelief for a good story.

And that’s what we are nitpicking, a movie that told a good story.

So, stop worrying over technical details, I sure didn’t worry over them when watching this, and I promise you that I know more of the technical details than anyone else on this forum.

 

[y_p_w]

Look, ejecting at Mach 10 would turn you into a blob of jelly, so, clearly, we are willing to suspend disbelief for a good story.

And that’s what were a nitpicking, a movie that told a good story.

So, stop worrying over technical details, I sure didn’t worry over them when watching this, and I promise you that I know more of the technical details than anyone else on this forum.

That was basically the Space Shuttle Columbia breaking up. That would be impossible to survive unless someone was Kryptonian.

I suppose movie makers go to their technical advisers and try to find what can be accurate while still being interesting. I’ve heard the depiction of the cruise missiles and the E-2 communications were fairly accurate while still being interesting. Especially the “picture clean” communication. I always wondered why the original Top Gun didn’t show an E-2 being used.

 

[wpod]

Wonder if they realize it’s just a movie…

I am amazed that people believe movies are a source of education realism or fact. That is why I say Tv watchers are the most dumbed down people on the planet.. They believe their Tvs. Tv and movies are pretty much mindless entertainment.

 

[BigCahuna]

So you guys are saying, the people that died in making of the movie aren't really dead ?. Now you ruined the whole movie for me.,,,

 

[y_p_w]

So you guys are saying, the people that died in making of the movie aren't really dead ?. Now you ruined the whole movie for me.,,,

Someone did die during the filming of the original Top Gun. It was a pilot carrying the cameras filming the aerial scenes.

 

[Number_35]

They were specifically referring to the movie.

My understanding is that realistic military aviation movies tend to be boring to no end.

I suppose what the public wants is a missile that follows a plane for 45 seconds like the scene from Behind Enemy Lines.

You're likely right - but I need to see the (Intruder) movie. My tastes tend to out-of-sync, and I suspect I wouldn't find it boring.

There's probably a reason why W.E.B. Griffin's books, which make good reading in part because of the focus on the minutiae of military protocol, have not been made into movies

 

[y_p_w]

You're likely right - but I need to see the (Intruder) movie. My tastes tend to out-of-sync, and I suspect I wouldn't find it boring.

There's probably a reason why W.E.B. Griffin's books, which make good reading in part because of the focus on the minutiae of military protocol, have not been made into movies

From my engineering background I can easily geek out on the details of any fiction that might get into stuff I know well. But it would easily go over the heads of most people, who wouldn't be interested.

The biggest criticism that most military pilots seem to have over movies like Top Gun: Maverick is that they're always flying in tight formation like they're the Blue Angels. It seems like a wingman being a mile away is more likely than flying in a tight wingtip formation, since they don't want to have their concentration on avoiding the next plane. I know that doesn't look very good on a movie screen when planes are miles apart.

 

[gfh77665]

Next thing you know, they will tell us all the murders in shoot em' up movies are a crime.

Shocking, isn't it? LOL

 

[b_b]

legal eagle is backed by the party, his office is the middle of the swamp. he's no different than media matters as far as I'm concerned.

 

[GooseGestapo]

From my engineering background I can easily geek out on the details of any fiction that might get into stuff I know well. But it would easily go over the heads of most people, who wouldn't be interested.

The biggest criticism that most military pilots seem to have over movies like Top Gun: Maverick is that they're always flying in tight formation like they're the Blue Angels. It seems like a wingman being a mile away is more likely than flying in a tight wingtip formation, since they don't want to have their concentration on avoiding the next plane. I know that doesn't look very good on a movie screen when planes are miles apart.

I’ve been told by several Naval Aviators that an Airforce formation is two aircraft flying the Same direction on the Same day on the same continent.
The Airforce pilot agreed that the Naval Airforce was the toughest branch! He said he once tried to force air through a naval! Couldn’t do It! He said it took a Real BlowHard to force air through a Naval!

 

[y_p_w]

Pay attention to the end…

Hangman fires a missile, destroying the Mig. He is then shown to have four missiles still onboard…. Hmmm…

Oxygen and radio connectors are also different between the F-18 and F14…

I think that was supposed to be an Su-57.

However, he fires it at really close range, the target turns into a fireball, and takes out the missile that it was firing to boot. Then his plane flies through that fireball, seemingly without sucking in engine destroying foreign object debris.

As many have learned from Azerbaijan Airlines 8243, that not really how missiles work. But the blast probably would have taken out the fired missile. And then his hotdogging by flying into a cloud of debris probably would have taken out his own aircraft. But then again, lots of Hollywood liberties taken.

 

[BusyLittleShop]

Someone did die during the filming of the original Top Gun. It was a pilot carrying the cameras filming the aerial scenes.

The movie Top Gun was indeed dedicated to the memory of Art Scholl.

Art Scholl, famed aerobatic pilot and aerial cameraman, having worked
in over 50 productions

September 16, 1985, about 5:30 PM, Pacific Time

Weather Clear to partly hazy, with low clouds

Flight Route: Local area flight from Oceanside

Area Believed Crashed: The Pacific Ocean, near Carlsbad, California.

Reason for flight: Filming background shots for the gimbal apparatus,
used on sound stages, for the movie, Top Gun.

Type Plane: An Aerotec Pitts "Special" S-2A, registered as N13AS

After successfully completing an upward spin in his aerobatic Pitts
"Special" S-2A, Scholl attempted an inverted flat spin. While
descending rapidly in the spin, and at an altitude of 3,000 feet, he
uttered, "I've got a problem." Shortly later,, at an altitude of 1,500
feet, he spoke his last known words... "I've really got a problem."

Rescue aircraft and vessels recovered only some floating debris, and
it was speculated that the aircraft sank to a depth of over 900 feet
about five miles off Encinitas.

Although Scholl's mechanic, Kevin Kammer, witnessed the crash, the
exact cause of the fatal crash remains unknown, as neither the plane,
nor Scholl's body, was ever recovered.

It is generally thought that camera equipment affixed to the plane
altered its weight and balance envelope, making recovery from the flat
spin impossible. None of Scholl's spotter planes witnessed the
impact.

I use to hang out at FlaBob while stationed at Norton AFB and found
Art easy to talk with... I caught his Chipmunk routines at Norton at
USGP of MotoCross Carlsbad and at Reno Air Races... I just mesmerized
by his signature "Lomcovak" maneuver where he tumbles the Chippy out
of control... I was just devastated when Art spun in during the
filming of Top Gun...

 

[ls1mike]

Movies, good movies, are about telling a story in a compelling way. Strong characters. Tight writing. Gripping plot. Scene composition that supports the story.

If you’re lacking that, the movie sucks, no matter how technically accurate it may be.

Exactly. That is why I don't nitpick submarine movies.

 

[Astro14]

Exactly. That is why I don't nitpick submarine movies.

Like “Crimson Tide” or “Hunt for Red October” or “Run Silent, Run Deep” or “Up Periscope”

Or, “Operation Petticoat”… “Down Periscope”…oh…wait…

 

[Kira]

That is why I don't nitpick submarine movies.

FYMT (Funny You Mention That):
I recently saw one minute of an episode of a TV show I never watched, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
They were smoking on the Seaview AND there were ashtrays mounted on the walls.
What adjective would you use?

 

[ls1mike]

Like “Crimson Tide” or “Hunt for Red October” or “Run Silent, Run Deep” or “Up Periscope”

Or, “Operation Petticoat”… “Down Periscope”…oh…wait…

LOL. Yeah just about all of them, but Down Periscope is the most accurate! I do like all of those movies.

 

[ls1mike]

FYMT (Funny You Mention That):
I recently saw one minute of an episode of a TV show I never watched, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
They were smoking on the Seaview AND there were ashtrays mounted on the walls.
What adjective would you use?

Use to be a thing. You could smoke on Submarines. Not so much now.

 

[y_p_w]

LOL. Yeah just about all of them, but Down Periscope is the most accurate! I do like all of those movies.

Crimson Tide had a bunch of uncredited dialogue from Quentin Tarantino. Kind of a favor to him from Tony Scott since he directed True Romance rather than Tarantino. A lot of pop culture references. Then there’s Tarantino’s take on Top Gun, but I’ll leave it at that.