IN DETROIT CITY ..... and woke up to this.
Last night I went to sleep
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Pulling an all nighter last night, I read several articles about Detroit and watched several Youtubes - what a mess.
All of the real taxpayers are getting "the fist". What a mess.
"Underfunded pension claims likely would get less than the 10 cents on the dollar."
Always the pension funds.
"His team said the proposal is the one shot to permanently fix fiscal problems that have made the city insolvent."
Is that "one shot" just this year? How about next year?
What a mess.
Always the pension funds.
"His team said the proposal is the one shot to permanently fix fiscal problems that have made the city insolvent."
Is that "one shot" just this year? How about next year?
What a mess.
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This was years in the making and they all knew it. Each elected offical pushed off what they could so they could lay the blame on the "next guy" instead of doing the right thing. We as a country have gotten so pathetic in the political arena. Headed the way of the Roman Empire.
Detroit city very bad; Detroit school's even worse.
Detroit city very bad; Detroit school's even worse.
Detroit needs to be bulldozed.
Almost every aspect of Detroit is a monument of failure, greed and zero leadership.
Almost every aspect of Detroit is a monument of failure, greed and zero leadership.
I'm not trying to be harsh or say something crazy ....
But its obvious to all of America that Detroit is a dump and needs to be torn down. All of the residents need to be relocated, no amount of money will turn that armpit into a functional city.
Hope and Change will never happen in a slum.
But its obvious to all of America that Detroit is a dump and needs to be torn down. All of the residents need to be relocated, no amount of money will turn that armpit into a functional city.
Hope and Change will never happen in a slum.
Well, I guess all them "rich people" making over $250k per year moved out...
Guess all them union pensions are worth 10 cents on the dollar.
Guess all them union pensions are worth 10 cents on the dollar.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
All of the residents need to be relocated,
By who? And to where? Let them fend for themselves because if you relocate them to your town they will all vote to raise YOUR taxes to support their welfare system. Then unionize and double their wages.
All of the residents need to be relocated,
By who? And to where? Let them fend for themselves because if you relocate them to your town they will all vote to raise YOUR taxes to support their welfare system. Then unionize and double their wages.
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Everytime there is an article about Detroit, someone from the that area always defends the city, claiming the media blows it out of proportion. Is this blown out of proportion too?
My wife and I visit Detroit 2 or 3 times a year. We go to the Auto Show, Detroit Tigers/Lions/Redwings, and on occasion the casinos. All of these attractions are downtown.
The financial and governing issues are not an exageration.
As for downtown? Yes, there is a lot of urban decay. But, I do not feel unsafe visiting the attractions listed above, as well as the restaurants, museums, theaters, etc..
Like any city, tucked within its present, is a rich heritage that can be discovered in some of its residents and brick & mortar. Great architectural relics. Some fine dining. Great cultural events like the Woodward Car Cruise Show. Some fine jazz, blues, and MOTOWN music.....finding a local musician in a tiny hole of a restaurant is magical.
Through my workplace, I participate in a project called The Greening of Detroit: http://greeningofdetroit.com/ There are feeble attempts to demolish a number of the bad neighborhoods and concentrate $$ to save the rest. My workplace is also involved in programs promoting urban agriculture. People growing food in the city have the same hearts as farmers out in the country.....a connection with the land.
So, I suppose my outlook is a bit biased. I see the past heritage, work with some wonderful people that have a positive outlook, but am saddened to see what's going on.
I grew up not far from Chicago and it has the same ugly blight in the suburbs also. Many said that New Orleans should have been abandoned also. Maybe you are correct, but I don't see bulldozers ever happening in reality. I don't know what the answer is, but I will contribute my 2 cents to a lot of "good" causes before I take leave of this world.
Everytime there is an article about Detroit, someone from the that area always defends the city, claiming the media blows it out of proportion. Is this blown out of proportion too?
My wife and I visit Detroit 2 or 3 times a year. We go to the Auto Show, Detroit Tigers/Lions/Redwings, and on occasion the casinos. All of these attractions are downtown.
The financial and governing issues are not an exageration.
As for downtown? Yes, there is a lot of urban decay. But, I do not feel unsafe visiting the attractions listed above, as well as the restaurants, museums, theaters, etc..
Like any city, tucked within its present, is a rich heritage that can be discovered in some of its residents and brick & mortar. Great architectural relics. Some fine dining. Great cultural events like the Woodward Car Cruise Show. Some fine jazz, blues, and MOTOWN music.....finding a local musician in a tiny hole of a restaurant is magical.
Through my workplace, I participate in a project called The Greening of Detroit: http://greeningofdetroit.com/ There are feeble attempts to demolish a number of the bad neighborhoods and concentrate $$ to save the rest. My workplace is also involved in programs promoting urban agriculture. People growing food in the city have the same hearts as farmers out in the country.....a connection with the land.
So, I suppose my outlook is a bit biased. I see the past heritage, work with some wonderful people that have a positive outlook, but am saddened to see what's going on.
I grew up not far from Chicago and it has the same ugly blight in the suburbs also. Many said that New Orleans should have been abandoned also. Maybe you are correct, but I don't see bulldozers ever happening in reality. I don't know what the answer is, but I will contribute my 2 cents to a lot of "good" causes before I take leave of this world.
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Everytime there is an article about Detroit, someone from the that area always defends the city, claiming the media blows it out of proportion. Is this blown out of proportion too?
No. The media never blows anything out of proportion.Do not come anywhere near here or you will become poor or be shot!
Everytime there is an article about Detroit, someone from the that area always defends the city, claiming the media blows it out of proportion. Is this blown out of proportion too?
No. The media never blows anything out of proportion.Do not come anywhere near here or you will become poor or be shot!
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Detroit needs to be bulldozed.
Almost every aspect of Detroit is a monument of failure, greed and zero leadership.
That could be said for a LOT of American cities at this point. The corruption and graft is so pervasive that only a second revolution will solve the problem.
Detroit needs to be bulldozed.
Almost every aspect of Detroit is a monument of failure, greed and zero leadership.
That could be said for a LOT of American cities at this point. The corruption and graft is so pervasive that only a second revolution will solve the problem.
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Everytime there is an article about Detroit, someone from the that area always defends the city, claiming the media blows it out of proportion. Is this blown out of proportion too?
My wife and I visit Detroit 2 or 3 times a year. We go to the Auto Show, Detroit Tigers/Lions/Redwings, and on occasion the casinos. All of these attractions are downtown.
The financial and governing issues are not an exageration.
As for downtown? Yes, there is a lot of urban decay. But, I do not feel unsafe visiting the attractions listed above, as well as the restaurants, museums, theaters, etc..
Like any city, tucked within its present, is a rich heritage that can be discovered in some of its residents and brick & mortar. Great architectural relics. Some fine dining. Great cultural events like the Woodward Car Cruise Show. Some fine jazz, blues, and MOTOWN music.....finding a local musician in a tiny hole of a restaurant is magical.
Through my workplace, I participate in a project called The Greening of Detroit: http://greeningofdetroit.com/ There are feeble attempts to demolish a number of the bad neighborhoods and concentrate $$ to save the rest. My workplace is also involved in programs promoting urban agriculture. People growing food in the city have the same hearts as farmers out in the country.....a connection with the land.
So, I suppose my outlook is a bit biased. I see the past heritage, work with some wonderful people that have a positive outlook, but am saddened to see what's going on.
I grew up not far from Chicago and it has the same ugly blight in the suburbs also. Many said that New Orleans should have been abandoned also. Maybe you are correct, but I don't see bulldozers ever happening in reality. I don't know what the answer is, but I will contribute my 2 cents to a lot of "good" causes before I take leave of this world.
This.
Well said and spot on.
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Everytime there is an article about Detroit, someone from the that area always defends the city, claiming the media blows it out of proportion. Is this blown out of proportion too?
My wife and I visit Detroit 2 or 3 times a year. We go to the Auto Show, Detroit Tigers/Lions/Redwings, and on occasion the casinos. All of these attractions are downtown.
The financial and governing issues are not an exageration.
As for downtown? Yes, there is a lot of urban decay. But, I do not feel unsafe visiting the attractions listed above, as well as the restaurants, museums, theaters, etc..
Like any city, tucked within its present, is a rich heritage that can be discovered in some of its residents and brick & mortar. Great architectural relics. Some fine dining. Great cultural events like the Woodward Car Cruise Show. Some fine jazz, blues, and MOTOWN music.....finding a local musician in a tiny hole of a restaurant is magical.
Through my workplace, I participate in a project called The Greening of Detroit: http://greeningofdetroit.com/ There are feeble attempts to demolish a number of the bad neighborhoods and concentrate $$ to save the rest. My workplace is also involved in programs promoting urban agriculture. People growing food in the city have the same hearts as farmers out in the country.....a connection with the land.
So, I suppose my outlook is a bit biased. I see the past heritage, work with some wonderful people that have a positive outlook, but am saddened to see what's going on.
I grew up not far from Chicago and it has the same ugly blight in the suburbs also. Many said that New Orleans should have been abandoned also. Maybe you are correct, but I don't see bulldozers ever happening in reality. I don't know what the answer is, but I will contribute my 2 cents to a lot of "good" causes before I take leave of this world.
This.
Well said and spot on.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I have been to Detroit...and honestly, the place is a sewer. It's not the worst city I have seen (of course, I deliberately stayed out of the worse areas), but it would greatly benefit from carpet bombing.
Having just completed a 1435 mile trek through the "rust belt" I would agree.
The cities look very old and tired, many of the commercial buildings are vacant and/or in severe disrepair. The roads were so bad I was amazed, I mean BAD as in shaking us nearly to death in a full size van! No wonder cars die so soon up North!
Then there's the scary old rusted out bridges, etc. Man, these cities are pretty much dead, I can't imagine how much money it will cost to fix their infrastructure...
I have been to Detroit...and honestly, the place is a sewer. It's not the worst city I have seen (of course, I deliberately stayed out of the worse areas), but it would greatly benefit from carpet bombing.
Having just completed a 1435 mile trek through the "rust belt" I would agree.
The cities look very old and tired, many of the commercial buildings are vacant and/or in severe disrepair. The roads were so bad I was amazed, I mean BAD as in shaking us nearly to death in a full size van! No wonder cars die so soon up North!
Then there's the scary old rusted out bridges, etc. Man, these cities are pretty much dead, I can't imagine how much money it will cost to fix their infrastructure...
What's happening in Detroit is just a symptom of our national inability to manage finances. A large percentage of the population is unwilling to live within their means; instead they borrow and attempt to finance their way to prosperity. Detroit should be held up as an example of what not to do.
Kevyn Orr's rescue plan held few punches-it's a problem that has been festering for the last 45 years and now Detroit is 15 billion dollars in debt.
Originally Posted By: Kevyn Orr
Financial mismanagement, a shrinking population, a dwindling tax base and other factors over the past 45 years have brought Detroit to the brink of financial and operational ruin
It's not something that just suddenly appeared-it's been 45 years worth of incompetence that has caused Detroit's problems. And now, after decades of passing the buck, Detroit is out of options and forced to face the results of their stupid decisions, and the incompetence of the voters who failed to hold the city officials accountable for their actions.
Kevyn Orr's rescue plan held few punches-it's a problem that has been festering for the last 45 years and now Detroit is 15 billion dollars in debt.
Originally Posted By: Kevyn Orr
Financial mismanagement, a shrinking population, a dwindling tax base and other factors over the past 45 years have brought Detroit to the brink of financial and operational ruin
It's not something that just suddenly appeared-it's been 45 years worth of incompetence that has caused Detroit's problems. And now, after decades of passing the buck, Detroit is out of options and forced to face the results of their stupid decisions, and the incompetence of the voters who failed to hold the city officials accountable for their actions.
Pop_Rivit,
our PM tried to explain the other day that if you hit hard times, it's only responsible to maintain your standard of living through borrowings, knowing that you can repay those when the cash starts flowing again.
Detroit just need to keep borrowing a bit longer until the money starts flowing...LOL.
our PM tried to explain the other day that if you hit hard times, it's only responsible to maintain your standard of living through borrowings, knowing that you can repay those when the cash starts flowing again.
Detroit just need to keep borrowing a bit longer until the money starts flowing...LOL.
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