LANGZEITFILTER - MANN

TooSlick · Mar 17, 2003

I recently changed the oil in my Audi TT quattro and found that Audi is now using the new "MANN" microtop, synthetic media oil filters. These are designed to be used with synthetic oil and are rated for 30,000 km (18,000 miles)/2 years between changes. In Europe they are used in the VW/Audi engines that have the oil monitoring system and the flexible service schedules.

The part # for these filters is: 06A 115 561 B

These filters will fit most 4/5 cylinder VW/Audi engines made over the last twenty years. They will also fit the 2.4L Tacoma and the 3.0L, Toyota Camry engine (they're about 1.25" longer than the OEM filter - same diameter). I intend to use them on my TT, my Audi 100 and my 1995 Tacoma. Bypass valve setting is in the 25-30 psid range.

A very high quality German made filter ....

TooSlick
dixie synthetics

Pablo · Mar 17, 2003

Slick - what is the Mann part #?

I have used the Mann Volvo filter for years, and think it is a great flowing, decent filtering pup. (part # is W916 as I recall..?)

Anyhow this say "micro top" on 'em...

FowVay · Mar 17, 2003

I'd bet that the by-pass pressure for the Toyota filters is half that of the VW/Audi filters. The VW/Audi bypass opens at 2,5 bar and the Toyota filters open at 1 bar. This could create a problem even though the filter will thread on the engine.

Are you speaking of Mann P/N W719/30?

TooSlick · Mar 17, 2003

Fowvay,

The Audi filter is made for a higher capacity output oil pump. Explain to me how using it on a toyota will cause a problem? I can see if the by-pass valve setting is too low, you could be in partial by-pass mode a significant percentage of the time. But going the other way would seem to be fine. The oil will simply go through the filter media as designed ....

Are you saying the engine will somehow starve for oil?

Ted

Ken2 · Mar 17, 2003

We need a number starting with "W" off the filter. W719/30? (2.5 bar bypass valve pressure)

The Mann W711/80 (1 bar [15 psi] bypass valve pressure) is the usually recommended filter for Toyotas, but don't know if it's the new media.

Is this media finer filtration, or just more capacity?

Ken

[ March 17, 2003, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]

TooSlick · Mar 17, 2003

Ken,

I think it's both finer filtration and higher capacity. ... the p/n on the filter I have is the VW/Audi part number. There isn't a MANN number on the filter. I remember reading about these microtop oil filters about a year ago and they do use 100% synthetic media as I recall. I believe they also make an even larger (wider) one for the earlier VW diesel engines (ie a full quart sized unit)

I don't know if these are available as aftermarket filters(?), but I can easily find out from the on-line Audi store where I get parts ...

Ted

FowVay · Mar 17, 2003

Ted, if Toyota specifies a bypass pressure of 1 bar then I would think that it would make sense to use a filter that met that requirement.

Also, I have used the micro-top filter a few years ago on my Mercedes Benz E300. It has been in production at least two years. They are a very well made filter indeed.

Let me make one more edit: I just searched for the application for the Mk2 Golf diesel and it also is a Microtop filter - P/N W940/25.

[ March 17, 2003, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: FowVay ]

TooSlick · Mar 17, 2003

Fowvay,

Most german engines run very high oil pressure pumps, so the OEM oil filter have bypass settings of 25-30 psid. However, I fail to see how running this filter on an engine with less oil pressure will cause a problem? I don't think the synthetic media on these MANN filters is going to be any more restrictive, do you? Keep in mind I generally run a 0w-30 synthetic in most of my vehicles.

FWIW, I've been running the Amsoil SDF filters on these engines for twenty years. They have an 8-11 psid bypass valve setting and I've never noticed any issues with them. Oil analysis results have been excellent, so this may be an issue that is overblown.

Would the low oil pressure light not come on if the engine was starving for oil with this MANN filter installed? I think it would ...

Ted

[ March 17, 2003, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: TooSlick ]

FowVay · Mar 17, 2003

I guess my point is that if you have the correct filter to use (and Mann does) then it would make sense to use it. All of my current cars have by-pass valves built into the engine so it isn't a issue.

With this in mind,, it'd be great if we had a active chat forum for this type of discussion.

TooSlick · Mar 17, 2003

I think I'll just screw one of these on my tacoma and see what happens. I do believe the low oil pressure light will stay on if the engine is starving for oil. It always comes on for a few seconds after I change oil and the filter is filling up ....

Thanks for your insight ....

Ted

FowVay · Mar 17, 2003

I guess the oil light depends on where the sensor is. If it's between the pump and filter then you won't get a light. If the sensor is between the filter and the main bearings then you may get a light ONLY if the filter is clogged. I completely see your point about the higher by-pass not being a issue. I'm just one of those guys that likes to follow the maintenance manual.

BTW, how many miles have you gotten on your Audi?

TooSlick · Mar 17, 2003

I should add this Mann filter is about 1/3 longer than the OEM toyota filter, so the pressure drop across the media should be significantly less.

I have 210,000 on the 1990 Audi 100 and 15,100 on the TT quattro ....

Ted

FowVay · Mar 17, 2003

WOW, I thought that you just got the TT a few months ago? Maybe time has flown since I saw your first post about getting it.

Patman · Mar 17, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by FowVay:
WOW, I thought that you just got the TT a few months ago? Maybe time has flown since I saw your first post about getting it.

Hehe, I asked him the same thing, but it turns out he bought one with about 10k on it already.

spal24 · Mar 17, 2003

Are you getting your Mann filters from the dealer. I am looking to get some hopefully at a good deal. Message me if your getting them online some where i have seen them for under 6 bux from a few places. I am going to be using it when i change mine in about a month or 2.

TooSlick · Mar 17, 2003

I get the Mann filters from: 3w.audiquattroparts.com

A large independant Audi garage up in WI....

TS

dbrowne1 · Mar 17, 2003

Ted (and others):

This MANN filter is the W719/30. It has been used on MKIV (1999+) VWs since day 1, and may have been in use before that.

You can get a case of 10 from Adirondack for $53. Not a bad deal, not a bad filter. I've got almost 60K on my modified 1.8T with these filters.

[ March 18, 2003, 04:35 AM: Message edited by: dbrowne1 ]

jason07-1zzfe · Mar 17, 2003

OK...Anyone have any idea what the difference is between this filter you are talking about: 719/30 and the 719/15 which the Mann catalog specifies for my car?
http://www.mann-hummel.com/mf_prodkata_all/index.html?iKeys=21.1.164.2.2
The dimmensions and valves are exactly the same.
And what about the 719/5, that was listed as equivalent in the german oil flter study to the Mahle OC49 that my car uses. It has same specs also.

TooSlick · Mar 18, 2003

Doug,

That's the same filter I took off my Audi TT ...thanks for the tip! I think that $5.60 is an excellent price for a german filter of this quality.

Fowvay,

The TT was a 2002, "Certified Pre-owned" vehicle and had 12,000 miles when I got it in January. I saved over $10k on the suggested retail price of a new one, and got a 6 yr/100k mile warranty.

Ted

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