Lake Speed Jr video - Ignore Factory oil specifications!

[Dyess]

Just to recap.


He is supporting the BITOG'er consensus about no risk of going thicker and the BITOG response is to be mad about it.

Well yea, they’re only good ideas when they’re our ideas!

Story time;

I say I want to put a metal roof on the house my wife says “No! That’s stupid! Why would you do that!”
One week later the wife says: “I think we should put a metal roof on the house.”
Moral of the story;

People are only happy when it’s their idea.

 

[Dyess]

That’s not true- that is a generalized twist

Most if not all are saying viscosity increases are not a solution to mechanical problems

This is fundamentally correct. However LSJ did not say the thinker oil is a solution to piss poor design execution. He said it was a bandaid. It’s only a bandaid on engines that haven’t grenaded themselves; “yet”. But……. Much like a bandaid on a gunshot wound it’s most likely going to have no effect. GM is just trying to stem the speed of recalls. It’s a calculated stop gap to buy them time. I think everyone knows that.

 

[CarlB]

This is fundamentally correct. However LSJ did not say the thinker oil is a solution to piss poor design execution. He said it was a bandaid. It’s only a bandaid on engines that haven’t grenaded themselves; “yet”. But……. Much like a bandaid on a gunshot wound it’s most likely going to have no effect. GM is just trying to stem the speed of recalls. It’s a calculated stop gap to buy them time. I think everyone knows that.

Plus the oil change being prescribed to the vehicles in dealership inventory will help to remove sediment.

 

[Sienna dude]

So your professional opinion is that the use of 2 to 3cSt base oils plays no role in any of these phenomena?

My opinion is about Toyota Motors. The issues that they had were not linked to oil viscosity. The current 3.4 l twin turbo had some manufacturing defects, thicker oil would not have solved that problem. My motor has had no design issues and it has been running flawlessly on 0w16. If the motor is well designed and well built, it will run flawlessly on 0w8. But if the motor is crappy, even 0w40 will not help.

 

[OVERKILL]

My opinion is about Toyota Motors. The issues that they had were not linked to oil viscosity. The current 3.4 l twin turbo had some manufacturing defects, thicker oil would not have solved that problem. My motor has had no design issues and it has been running flawlessly on 0w16. If the motor is well designed and well built, it will run flawlessly on 0w8. But if the motor is crappy, even 0w40 will not help.

That in no way answered my question.

 

[RevvCats]

Anybody concerned with what weight Xw-XX should be checking the PDS's for actual cSt. You'd be surprised how loosely the weight scale is used.

Yeah there’s a lot of 20 and 30 weight oils that aren’t nearly as far apart in cSt @ 100C as you’d think but yet people will passionately say that 20 weight oil is an EPA / car manufacturer plot to destroy your engine but this 30 weight oil that’s a whole cSt thicker will keep it running for a million miles!

 

[Hohn]

From my owners manual:

Use full sysnthetic engine oils that meet the dexos1 specification. Use 0w-20 viscosity grade engine oil for the 5.3L and 6.2L V8 engines.

Failure to use the recommemded engine oil or equivalent can result in engine damage not covered by the vehicle warranty.

The EPA really screwed GM with their mandates. Even compelled them to lie to their customers.

In this case, it looks like failure to ignore factory engine oil recommendations can result in engine damage...

 

[Hohn]

Yeah there’s a lot of 20 and 30 weight oils that aren’t nearly as far apart in cSt @ 100C as you’d think but yet people will passionately say that 20 weight oil is an EPA / car manufacturer plot to destroy your engine but this 30 weight oil that’s a whole cSt thicker will keep it running for a million miles!

Exactly. KV100 of 9.0, car go boom. KV100 9.5? All good.

 

[oldhp]

Lake Speed Jr. primarily worked for Joe Gibbs Racing in NASCAR. He joined them in 2004 and played a key role in developing and implementing the team's lubrication program, including the creation of Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oil. Prior to that, he was with Melling Racing.
His racing oil background is good enough for me.

 

[Pablo]

You already said you didn't even watch it.

@TomYoung post actually gave me thoughts, so I did finally watch it. But that doesn't change my rebuttal to your point.

I mean, heck, just on the surface I recommend people run 0W-30 all the time (in place of 0W-8=>0W-20)), and I'm pouring 10W-30 in our 2017 CRV this week. Point being, again, the issue fundamentally is the engine.

 

[skaughtz]

This seems like a rather extensive discussion for a relatively straightforward Youtube video.

GM has a mechanical issue leading to recalls that they are stemming for the time with thicker oil. Emission requirements are the impetus for the move to lower viscosity oils in the United States. Using a greater viscosity oil will not grenade your engine, but also might not keep it running for 4 million miles. Lake Speed Jr. has an oddly shaped head but definitely knows more about the inner workings of engines and oil than I do.

Did I miss something?

 

[TiGeo]

Maybe a few, a whole lot probably not. Sounds like the perception of people trying to start a YT channel.

Just can’t watch him. His voice and weird facial expressions seem like bad AI.

I think here on the 'tog we should all start saying things like this about different posters...maybe we can all have to post a picture of ourselves, like a Zoom call. "I mean AZjeff seems like a decent dude but holy crap, can he pullleazzzee trim those nose hairs."

 

[tired]

While I dont need a 0W, heck where I live 25W is fine, the good thing about a 0W40, in particular a Euro spec such as A3B4 A40 etc. Is that it must be made using very high quality ingredients. Great base oils, add package, testing etc.

Does this mean that Euro oils in 5W-30 are made with different base oils/additive package?

 

[HemiBenny]

I do the same thing to dilute the residual old oil in the pan. I can actually watch it turn from dark to light as the "flush" quart drains out.

You can go ahead and add me to your ignore list, I suppose.

Why would I ignore you?

I just don't think it's flushing anything except a narrow path straight down and out of the drain hole.
Just because we disagree on the benefit of doing that doesn't mean I would ignore you.
It's your opinion, I just believe it's a waste of a brand-new quart of oil for no benefit whatsoever.

My ignore list is 0. I would never ignore someone for simply having a different opinion.

 

[hemioiler]

I think here on the 'tog we should all start saying things like this about different posters...maybe we can all have to post a picture of ourselves, like a Zoom call. "I mean AZjeff seems like a decent dude but holy crap, can he pullleazzzee trim those nose hairs."

That's why I set my camera resolution to 360p. Sure you can see it's me, if you squint, but you're not going to detect what I had for breakfast on my lips.

When they complain I just say "sorry, bad internet connection".

 

[Stumpalump]

Interesting what Mobil one oil lab directly told me 15 years ago: Only run 15w50 Extended performance in any flat tappet cam engine that is operated below the Arctic circle year round. They knew the thin stuff was for EPA back then.

 

[Glenda W.]

I’m one that calls out bad LSJR vids and posts good ones. This one has good info and is exactly what is in every thick vs thin thread here. Even has a splash of early oil changes on a new car to remove debris.

IMO viscosity will not fix a manufacturing error but this does show that in not ideal circumstances(like severe service) a higher viscosity is beneficial. Honestly in most if not all circumstances it gives you extra headroom. We always say here “it’s physics,” LSJR says “they used tribology.”

 

[ka9mnx]

Being a lower connecting rod bearing failure, which I have never seen, this is not an oil problem.

 

[gfh77665]

Problem being is that often his “data” is worthless, and subsequently so are the conclusions.

Open question for all:

Who exactly comprises the universe of posters at BITOG? Does every poster here have technical background? Are we all chemists and automotive engineers?

Or, is the BITOG universe composed of all the above PLUS many everyday shade tree mechanics, DIY's and just curious Joes?

It's hypocritical to suddenly get all snobbish about PF, while every day Joes freely post with abandon here. Seems to me you welcome everyone's input, OR, you can exclude and prohibit all "non technical" members from posting here. That would probably eliminate 60-70% of BITOG content BTW, just a wild guess. All I am saying is be fair, hold PF to the same standard (and freedom) everyone else operates under.

 

[Patman]

Open question for all:

Who exactly comprises the universe of posters at BITOG? Does every poster here have technical background? Are we all chemists and automotive engineers?

Or, is the BITOG universe composed of all the above PLUS many everyday shade tree mechanics, DIY's and just curious Joes?

It's hypocritical to suddenly get all snobbish about PF, while every day Joes freely post with abandon here. Seems to me you welcome everyone's input, OR, you can exclude and prohibit all "non technical" members from posting here. That would probably eliminate 60-70% of BITOG content BTW, just a wild guess. All I am saying is be fair, hold PF to the same standard (and freedom) everyone else operates under.

I don’t think it’s a direct comparison at all. Someone making YouTube videos, especially ones with huge followers, should have some sort of expertise since they have a much bigger audience than someone posting in here. Too many people take what PF says as gospel when many of his videos are pure nonsense.