Just to clarify...

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

2005 Silverado 1500 Ext Cab 4WD w/ 5.3

15 City, 18 Average( mixed driving ), 22-24 all highway


These were the MPG #'s "I PERSONALLY GOT" with the truck mentioned. That is not the EPA rating for the vehicle nor did I ever claim it was. Those who saw that info from me will understand. I am leaving it at that but I wanted to clarify things as I was unable to where it really mattered.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Thank god you posted that or there might be 4 or 5 paragraphs of blather to follow....DO NOT mention the "r" word! I love the way the mods closed the thread!

FWIW those are in line with my Silverados, which seem to do slightly better under my foot. I usually get close to 17 in traffic.

 

[exranger06]

So you're comparing the EPA rating of one vehicle to your own personal mileage of another vehicle?
EPA rating = apples
Your personal mileage = oranges

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Thank god you posted that or there might be 4 or 5 paragraphs of blather to follow....DO NOT mention the "r" word! I love the way the mods closed the thread!

FWIW those are in line with my Silverados, which seem to do slightly better under my foot. I usually get close to 17 in traffic.


My 05 Silverado got a little better MPG than my 07(NBS) Silverado( 1-2 MPG )despite the 07 having AFM. I believe it was due to the gearing. Both were Ext Cab 1500 4WD w/ 5.3L. Both had the same 265/70R-17 tires( even same brand and model tire ). The 05 had 3.42's and the 07 was a Z71 w/ 3.73's.

 

[Artem]

Its all how you drive as well as the driving conditions.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: exranger06
So you're comparing the EPA rating of one vehicle to your own personal mileage of another vehicle?
EPA rating = apples
Your personal mileage = oranges


Actually, no I wasn't. It was in response to a poster who added MPG #'s from a Tundra and did so in a way that implied all FS trucks would see similar MPG. I was just showing that I saw those MPG #'s from my 05 Silverado which were much betetr than the Tundra #'s.

 

[toneydoc]

In the end, if you drive a big or full sized truck, you expect poor gas mileage. If you want good mileage, you would choose an economy sedan. What difference does 1 or 2 miles a gallon make?

 

[toneydoc]

In the end, if you drive a big or full sized truck, you expect poor gas mileage. If you want good mileage, you would choose an economy sedan. What difference does 1 or 2 miles a gallon make?

 

[ls1mike]

That is in line with what I averaged on my old 04.

 

[Hokiefyd]

NHHemi, do you usually beat the EPA averages pretty good in your vehicles? You may have a light foot or a relatively efficient driving environment. The reason I ask is because your '05 Silverado is rated 13/15/17 city/combined/highway by the EPA. You beat the city rating by 15% and the highway rating by 35%. If that was consistent for you, you might find that you'd beat the EPA averages by a commensurate amount in other vehicles as well.

I personally usually beat the EPA averages as well. My driving cycle must be pretty easy. I typically average what the "old" EPA rating is, and the "new" EPA rating is easily beatable for me.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd

I personally usually beat the EPA averages as well. My driving cycle must be pretty easy. I typically average what the "old" EPA rating is, and the "new" EPA rating is easily beatable for me.


I've only had one car that gets exactly what the EPA estimate on the sticker says it does. My current Chrysler.

When I had my Suzuki Swift GA 1.3 liter, I did not drive it nice at all. I beat the living [heck]out of that poor car. The green upshift light was strictly an annoyance. I think I actually only upshifted according to the light one time. I still managed to handily beat not only the EPA estimate for the 1.3 liter 4 cylinder, but for the 1.0 liter 3 cylinder too:
Suzuki Swift 1.0 5-speed:
38 City
40 Combined
44 Highway
I averaged 45mpg consistantly. My swift actually got better fuel economy than my GSF400 Bandit did. But then again the Swift didn't have to turn 7000 rpm in freeway traffic.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: exranger06
So you're comparing the EPA rating of one vehicle to your own personal mileage of another vehicle?
EPA rating = apples
Your personal mileage = oranges

No doubt....without a baseline figure (EPA estimates for comparisons) what difference does it make what somebody claims to get OR perhaps does get because they drive like a granny or practice hyper-mile driving techniques?! If the poster would have STATED the figures he was deriving at were from personal experience of his particular vehicle, it would have same him this whole thread to clarify. That's why I sometimes get accused of being 'long winded' in my posts....but at least I try to be clear and explain things fully.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: exranger06
So you're comparing the EPA rating of one vehicle to your own personal mileage of another vehicle?
EPA rating = apples
Your personal mileage = oranges

No doubt....without a baseline figure (EPA estimates for comparisons) what difference does it make what somebody claims to get OR perhaps does get because they drive like a granny or practice hyper-mile driving techniques?! If the poster would have STATED the figures he was deriving at were from personal experience of his particular vehicle, it would have same him this whole thread to clarify. That's why I sometimes get accused of being 'long winded' in my posts....but at least I try to be clear and explain things fully.


Some people just like to complain I think. IF you post a short message you are condemned for not explaining it more BUT if you post a long winded response you are accused of being a blowhard. Some folks are just too funny.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
NHHemi, do you usually beat the EPA averages pretty good in your vehicles? You may have a light foot or a relatively efficient driving environment. The reason I ask is because your '05 Silverado is rated 13/15/17 city/combined/highway by the EPA. You beat the city rating by 15% and the highway rating by 35%. If that was consistent for you, you might find that you'd beat the EPA averages by a commensurate amount in other vehicles as well.

I personally usually beat the EPA averages as well. My driving cycle must be pretty easy. I typically average what the "old" EPA rating is, and the "new" EPA rating is easily beatable for me.


Hokiefyd;

The MPG #'s I listed for Silverados of that type and year/model range are not all that uncommon or hard to achieve. It is pretty easy to exceed the EPA rating in them( as evidenced by others in this thread claiming similar #'s ). While some may feel they are exaggerations or even lies I can assure you they are accurate. In my experience most GM vehicles can exceed the EPA rating with very little effort.

Over the years with the vehicles I have owned I have pretty much seen...

Chrysler( cars and FS trucks ) = at best you achieve the EPA rating. This new Jeep is the 1st Chrysler product I have actually seen more than the EPA rating on and I am toasting it. Highway anyway. Rated at 21/26. I get about 24 on average( probably 70% city )which is inline with the rating more or less but on the highway I can smoke it. Have seen as high as 34.7 MPG all highway. Worst all highway tank to date was 28.9 MPG.

Ford = have owned a few Fords and like my Chryslers it was pretty much what the rating was. The exception were the Crown Vic's I had. I could do really well with them at least out on the highway.

Toyota = Owned one Toyota( 05 Tacoma )and I exceeded the EPA rating. Again however, it was mainly on the highway. Exceeded the rating highway by 2-3 MPG. City was spot on with the EPA rating. My average varied depending on how much was highway.

I don't really do anything special to get extra MPG. I don't drive like a "granny" nor do I "hypermile" as some are implying. I simply do not speed nor drive aggressively. I stay within 5 MPH( over )of the posted speed limit and I do not take off like I am in drag race from every stop sign or traffic light. On the highway I set CC around 60-62 MPH( our highways are 55-65 )and then I stay out of the way of the impatient folk. I have no where to go in such a hurry that I have to go 80-85 MPH+ on the highway. As a result I see optimum fuel economy from my vehicles. I also keep my vehicles properly maintained which is a big help.

Nothing hard to do. Anyone can do it.

 

[JavierG]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: exranger06
So you're comparing the EPA rating of one vehicle to your own personal mileage of another vehicle?
EPA rating = apples
Your personal mileage = oranges

No doubt....without a baseline figure (EPA estimates for comparisons) what difference does it make what somebody claims to get OR perhaps does get because they drive like a granny or practice hyper-mile driving techniques?! If the poster would have STATED the figures he was deriving at were from personal experience of his particular vehicle, it would have same him this whole thread to clarify. That's why I sometimes get accused of being 'long winded' in my posts....but at least I try to be clear and explain things fully.


Some people just like to complain I think. IF you post a short message you are condemned for not explaining it more BUT if you post a long winded response you are accused of being a blowhard. Some folks are just too funny.

Well you could just make it short and to the point. Facts to back up your opinion are always welcome. Just don't say a vehicle is a "joke" unless you've spent time in it. Simply say "it's not for me" and leave it at that. Then you won't get raked over the coals because it sounds like you can dish it out but you can't take it.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: JavierG
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: exranger06
So you're comparing the EPA rating of one vehicle to your own personal mileage of another vehicle?
EPA rating = apples
Your personal mileage = oranges

No doubt....without a baseline figure (EPA estimates for comparisons) what difference does it make what somebody claims to get OR perhaps does get because they drive like a granny or practice hyper-mile driving techniques?! If the poster would have STATED the figures he was deriving at were from personal experience of his particular vehicle, it would have same him this whole thread to clarify. That's why I sometimes get accused of being 'long winded' in my posts....but at least I try to be clear and explain things fully.


Some people just like to complain I think. IF you post a short message you are condemned for not explaining it more BUT if you post a long winded response you are accused of being a blowhard. Some folks are just too funny.

Well you could just make it short and to the point. Facts to back up your opinion are always welcome. Just don't say a vehicle is a "joke" unless you've spent time in it. Simply say "it's not for me" and leave it at that. Then you won't get raked over the coals because it sounds like you can dish it out but you can't take it.


I can take it. If I am wrong in something I post and it is pointed out to me I always own up to my errors such as with towing capacity. The rest of the comments directed at me had nothing to do with facts. They were just personal insults.

Don't need to drive a vehicle to comment on it's shortcomings for specific uses either. The hard data is there( towing, hauling, MPG, HP/FTLBS, seating ). I did not comment on the vehicle in a negative way as far as actually driving it. Never talked about how it drove in a negative manner at all. Simply talked about using it for a specific set of reasons that at best it was only adequate at but cost as much as other vehicles that blow it away ability wise.

I had plenty of facts posted. Unfortunately, even the facts were dismissed and labeled as just opinion by some with a HUGE bias. Doesn't matter what you post if it has a negative tone some will go after you for it. There are some who can't take it. I am not one of them.

 

[CharBaby]

My buddy has an '09 Silverado w/5.3L 4dr short bed.
He claims quite high MPG city/hiwy(even better than the EPA and I beleive him) when just driving the vehicle to and fro. But, when he hauls his camper to the Adirondacks, it's another story all together. The MPG is in the single digits.

I have always been impressed with GM's fuel economy on most of their vehicles. Their V6 cars seemed to do as well as some 4 cyl cars and their Trucks(when driven easily) do as well or better as some V6 SUV's. Vette owners have some good this to say about their MPG. Good Job GM!

 

[JavierG]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: JavierG
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: andrewg

Some people just like to complain I think. IF you post a short message you are condemned for not explaining it more BUT if you post a long winded response you are accused of being a blowhard. Some folks are just too funny.

Well you could just make it short and to the point. Facts to back up your opinion are always welcome. Just don't say a vehicle is a "joke" unless you've spent time in it. Simply say "it's not for me" and leave it at that. Then you won't get raked over the coals because it sounds like you can dish it out but you can't take it.


I can take it. If I am wrong in something I post and it is pointed out to me I always own up to my errors such as with towing capacity. The rest of the comments directed at me had nothing to do with facts. They were just personal insults.

Don't need to drive a vehicle to comment on it's shortcomings for specific uses either. The hard data is there( towing, hauling, MPG, HP/FTLBS, seating ). I did not comment on the vehicle in a negative way as far as actually driving it. Never talked about how it drove in a negative manner at all. Simply talked about using it for a specific set of reasons that at best it was only adequate at but cost as much as other vehicles that blow it away ability wise.

I had plenty of facts posted. Unfortunately, even the facts were dismissed and labeled as just opinion by some with a HUGE bias. Doesn't matter what you post if it has a negative tone some will go after you for it. There are some who can't take it. I am not one of them.

Well, here is my opinion based on facts: I own one and can say without question that it is the best vehicle I have ever owned. This is coming from a former Ford and Chevy guy (owned everything from a F150, Focus, Maverick, Sable, Luv, Ranger, S10 and others). I like the new F150's and Silverados but they don't fit my need. The Ridge is perfect and drives like a charm. Now go get a real Jeep!

 

[andrewg]

JavierG,
Don't bother trying to explain to him that you like a particular vehicle. You'll be accused of BIAS. He doesn't even need to drive one, let alone OWN one like we have....his opinion and comments MUST be taken as valid....lol. Value to him only exists on paper and not in the real world. It matters NOT that you have owned many different vehicles and as such have a valid comparison either. You'll eventually get slighted with rude comments and accusations...then you'll be accused of being personally insulting (I guess because you don't agree?).
Enjoy your Ridge....I wish I still had mine.

 

[JavierG]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
JavierG,
Don't bother trying to explain to him that you like a particular vehicle. You'll be accused of BIAS. He doesn't even need to drive one, let alone OWN one like we have....his opinion and comments MUST be taken as valid....lol. Value to him only exists on paper and not in the real world. It matters NOT that you have owned many different vehicles and as such have a valid comparison either. You'll eventually get slighted with rude comments and accusations...then you'll be accused of being personally insulting (I guess because you don't agree?).
Enjoy your Ridge....I wish I still had mine.

Andrewg, you're so right. And man, do I love my Ridge! Thank you sir!