Just cut another ingredibly bad Fram

[widman]

The problem with oil filters (and oil) is that the failures are slow. Let a portion of your oil circulate unfiltered and you will not kill your engine in one oil change, or two, or even ten. But you will shorten the life of your engine. Maybe you will get 100,000 instead of 200,000. And you will never blame the filter you believe in.

There are people here who argue with me that engines never last more than 80,000 miles, no matter what filter or oil you put in them, so why bother with expensive stuff? They spend $5000 every 50,000 to 70,000 miles on a rebuild. You show them engines with 300,000 and they refuse to believe it or say it has never carried a load or been driven "normally".

Yes, you can buy whatever you want, pay whatever you want, and believe whatever you want.
I see that Fram discounted on line for $5.95 to $6.95 + shipping. They sell it here for about $8.00. I sell the Donaldson P552849 for around $7 to $8 (or less for big customers) (delivered or installed) before sales tax. (And the US has many more options)

What is the point of maybe saving a few cents when you can see (on this site) what you are getting?

 

[river_rat]

Originally Posted By: widman
The problem with oil filters (and oil) is that the failures are slow. Let a portion of your oil circulate unfiltered and you will not kill your engine in one oil change, or two, or even ten. But you will shorten the life of your engine. Maybe you will get 100,000 instead of 200,000. And you will never blame the filter you believe in.

+1, 100%
I read a lot, stuff like: "I used (this or that)or didn't change my oil for 30K miles with no issues at all."
And I'm thinking--how do you know that there were "no issues"?

 

[talker]

 

[labman]

Originally Posted By: widman
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There are people here who argue with me that engines never last more than 80,000 miles, no matter what filter or oil you put in them, so why bother with expensive stuff? They spend $5000 every 50,000 to 70,000 miles on a rebuild. You show them engines with 300,000 and they refuse to believe it or say it has never carried a load or been driven "normally".

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What are they using? How often do they change oil? Here cars regularly run 200K and the body falls off running Fram and dino or whatever the iffy lube uses.

 

[rszappa1]

There is a guy at work that has a 1991 toyota with 323,000 on it. Except for the first oil filter on it he has used FRAM and regular oil and the car is still running. He does change both every 3,000 miles....

 

[widman]

Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: widman
snip

There are people here who argue with me that engines never last more than 80,000 miles, no matter what filter or oil you put in them, so why bother with expensive stuff? They spend $5000 every 50,000 to 70,000 miles on a rebuild. You show them engines with 300,000 and they refuse to believe it or say it has never carried a load or been driven "normally".

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What are they using? How often do they change oil? Here cars regularly run 200K and the body falls off running Fram and dino or whatever the iffy lube uses.



They change oil every 2000 miles.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: rszappa1
I think the nonsense is the bashing of Fram....Where is all of the proof from the media. This would be such a hige story even if it was just in the Automotive side of the news....But there is nothing....no proof....Just bashing on this site of Fram....


http://www.fram.com/pdf/CumminsBulletin.pdf

I'm sure one could find the Cummins/Daimer bulletin if they looked hard enough.....

 

[TurboLuver]

Here it is

 

[pzev]

You guys better hope Honeywell doesn't start sponsering the board...

 

[talker]

yah-then we won't be able to chew 'em out

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: pzev
You guys better hope Honeywell doesn't start sponsering the board...


I'm not worried. Fram/Honeywell caters to the uninformed, not the informed.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: pzev
You guys better hope Honeywell doesn't start sponsering the board...


I'm not worried. Fram/Honeywell caters to the uninformed, not the informed.

yep so you wont be seen them here anytime soon.

 

[RF Overlord]

They're America's #1 selling filter...

Seriously, I'd be surprised if they didn't already know that we think of them...




My name is Bob and I'm a recovering FRAM-aholic.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
They're America's #1 selling filter...

Seriously, I'd be surprised if they didn't already know that we think of them...




My name is Bob and I'm a recovering FRAM-aholic.


Just shows you how daft the average person is!

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: talker
yah-then we won't be able to chew 'em out


Mobil 1 being a sponsor doesn't stop me from expressing my dislike for their products.

 

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
. . .
My name is Bob and I'm a recovering FRAM-aholic.


. . . and I'm a qualityholic who simply refuses to give in to that for which the masses have fallen. What an ugly shame to see that orange wall-o-death at WM. And yet another reason to be concerned about used cars. . .

 

[J_Myler]

Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
I know, I know, I have over-used this picture, but I just love it anyway. This is me easily crushing the element of a Fram filter. That's my left hand, of course, and I'm right-handed. The crush took about as much effort as it takes to collapse a 12 oz soda can, maybe a tad less. Even the Toyota-Denso design that has no end caps at all can not be so easily crushed. You could simply NEVER make this happen to a metal end cap design, unless you have a bionic arm, and even then, maybe not. . . Notice especially how the flimsy lightweight centertube has folded in without any meaningful resistance.

No fair, you are former Marine.

No such thing as a former Marine just a retired Marine