Just bought 2001 Tahoe with some minor issues

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IIRC there is a ground wire that goes to the frame behind the left bumper. when it starts to develop resistance, the ECU gets a little hokie, car may hesitate to start, voltage may bounce. Pretty sure that was the one I fixed on a buddy's of the same vintage. No other symptoms. be careful, it was surprisingly soft metal, bent easily.
 
One test for a bad ECM ground is to hook up a scan tool. Most bridge pins 4 & 5, chassis ground to ECM ground. Of course you could do that yourself with a bit of wire.

IIRC the ECM controls the alt on this, if it's flaking out it should throw a code. Unless the ECM is always seeing "good" voltage and the problem is outside its little subsystem.
 
Read up on the trans plug before attempting it. I was able to break mine loose with a long-handled ratchet (3/8" torque wrench), but did it the first time at 35,000. I got under the pan with the plug right above my shoulder and pushed against the ratchet head with that hand to keep the socket on straight. Slow, steady, and careful.

This truck should have a fuel filter on the driver's side frame rail, and a drain plug on the rear differential.

GMboy: You're the first person (with any credibility) I have seen say the G80 locker needs additive. I thought additive was not to be used in the locker, only in limited-slip rears. Are you saying that GM's superspecial sauce has a certain amount of additive rather than none? (I used to have the 9986... spec number memorized from trying to figure this out.)
 
Originally Posted By: Rhymingmechanic


GMboy: You're the first person (with any credibility) I have seen say the G80 locker needs additive. I thought additive was not to be used in the locker, only in limited-slip rears. Are you saying that GM's superspecial sauce has a certain amount of additive rather than none? (I used to have the 9986... spec number memorized from trying to figure this out.)



Lol! Thanks for the complement. The option code G80 is the Limited Slip differential. That is the one requiring the limited slip additive. Not really sure about any full lockers being offered in 1/2 ton trucks or SUV's. I will have to do some digging around.
 
You guys never cease to overwhelm me with just how much stuff you know! Thanks especially to GMBoy for the tech bulletins!

This is my first 'new' body style Chevrolet, so I was unaware of a drain plug being on the transmission. Sounds like (if it will come out) that would make it a much less messy job than changing fluid in the drain plug-less 4L60s in my GMT400 trucks.

ABS light proceeded to go off on my way home last night & it has not returned since. I'm going to put it up in the air tomorrow and see about the hub bearings, I have bought Timken in the past and except for one bad experience on a late 90's Buick, they've done well. I will check the battery cable and ground wire connections and see if I can find an obvious culprit, if not, she'll go to the Starter/Generator shop next week.
 
For one your owners manual states NOT to add any additional additive to this rear end. Synthetic oil GL5 is all thats needed theres no clutches per say(just a small actuation clutch) in this design that calls for it,it's a mechanal locking diff. Go search any Chevy/GMC truck forum on the web and see if an additional additive is used,it is not.

for two we were specifically told not to by our GM dealer

and for three this TSB;



LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL LUBRICANT (SERVICE INFORMATION) #91-4-109
SUBJECT: LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL (G80) LUBRICANT - (SERVICE INFORMATION)
VEHICLES AFFECTED: ALL LIGHT TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH G80 REAR AXLE ALL YEARS
Some light duty trucks equipped with locking rear axles (G80) may exhibit rear axle chatter, especially when turning a corner from a stop.
This condition of alternate engagement and disengagement of clutches in differential assembly is usually caused by contaminated axle lubricant.
To correct this condition, drain and refill the rear axle with SAE 80W-90 GL5 (P/N 10950849).

The use of any additive in locking rear axles (G80) is not recommended. Rear axle additives are designed for use in limited slip differentials which are normally installed in cars. All light duty trucks equipped with RPO G80 make use of a locking differential and the use of additives will delay the engagement of the locking mechanism and may decrease axle life.

VEHICLES/COMPONENTS INVOLVED: ------------------------- ---- Some light duty trucks equipped with locking rear axles, RPO G80.
SERVICE PARTS INFORMATION:
Part Number Description ----------- ------------------ 10950849 Lubricant, Rear Axle (1 litre)
Parts are currently available through CANSPO.
WARRANTY INFORMATION:
As specified in Light Duty Truck Maintenance Schedules, locking rear axle fluid drain and refill is required owner maintenance at the first engine oil change. Failure to drain and refill the rear axle as specified may contribute to a later axle chatter condition. Refer to the appropriate Light Duty Truck Maintenance Schedule or service manual, section OB, for further details on change intervals.
General Motors bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, not a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform those technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, do not assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See a General Motors dealer servicing your brand of General Motors vehicle for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.



Go search the truck forums and report back what you find.
 
Originally Posted By: daman
For one your owners manual states NOT to add any additive to this rear end. Synthetic oil GL5 is all thats needed theres no clutches in this design that calls for it,it's a mechanal locking diff. Go search any Chevy/GMC truck forum on the web and see if a additive is used,it is not.

for two we were specifically told not to by our GM dealer

and for three this TSB;



LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL LUBRICANT (SERVICE INFORMATION) #91-4-109
SUBJECT: LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL (G80) LUBRICANT - (SERVICE INFORMATION)
VEHICLES AFFECTED: ALL LIGHT TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH G80 REAR AXLE ALL YEARS
Some light duty trucks equipped with locking rear axles (G80) may exhibit rear axle chatter, especially when turning a corner from a stop.
This condition of alternate engagement and disengagement of clutches in differential assembly is usually caused by contaminated axle lubricant.
To correct this condition, drain and refill the rear axle with SAE 80W-90 GL5 (P/N 10950849).

The use of any additive in locking rear axles (G80) is not recommended. Rear axle additives are designed for use in limited slip differentials which are normally installed in cars. All light duty trucks equipped with RPO G80 make use of a locking differential and the use of additives will delay the engagement of the locking mechanism and may decrease axle life.

VEHICLES/COMPONENTS INVOLVED: ------------------------- ---- Some light duty trucks equipped with locking rear axles, RPO G80.
SERVICE PARTS INFORMATION:
Part Number Description ----------- ------------------ 10950849 Lubricant, Rear Axle (1 litre)
Parts are currently available through CANSPO.
WARRANTY INFORMATION:
As specified in Light Duty Truck Maintenance Schedules, locking rear axle fluid drain and refill is required owner maintenance at the first engine oil change. Failure to drain and refill the rear axle as specified may contribute to a later axle chatter condition. Refer to the appropriate Light Duty Truck Maintenance Schedule or service manual, section OB, for further details on change intervals.
General Motors bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, not a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform those technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, do not assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See a General Motors dealer servicing your brand of General Motors vehicle for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.



Go search the truck forums and report back what you find.


I actually did do a search of the GM truck forums last night, and they were in agreement with your assessment. In fact, the consensus on there was that you should buy the $20 a quart stuff from the dealership, which is a small price to pay compared to a new differential.
 
Originally Posted By: gradymotorco
Originally Posted By: daman
For one your owners manual states NOT to add any additive to this rear end. Synthetic oil GL5 is all thats needed theres no clutches in this design that calls for it,it's a mechanal locking diff. Go search any Chevy/GMC truck forum on the web and see if a additive is used,it is not.

for two we were specifically told not to by our GM dealer

and for three this TSB;



LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL LUBRICANT (SERVICE INFORMATION) #91-4-109
SUBJECT: LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL (G80) LUBRICANT - (SERVICE INFORMATION)
VEHICLES AFFECTED: ALL LIGHT TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH G80 REAR AXLE ALL YEARS
Some light duty trucks equipped with locking rear axles (G80) may exhibit rear axle chatter, especially when turning a corner from a stop.
This condition of alternate engagement and disengagement of clutches in differential assembly is usually caused by contaminated axle lubricant.
To correct this condition, drain and refill the rear axle with SAE 80W-90 GL5 (P/N 10950849).

The use of any additive in locking rear axles (G80) is not recommended. Rear axle additives are designed for use in limited slip differentials which are normally installed in cars. All light duty trucks equipped with RPO G80 make use of a locking differential and the use of additives will delay the engagement of the locking mechanism and may decrease axle life.

VEHICLES/COMPONENTS INVOLVED: ------------------------- ---- Some light duty trucks equipped with locking rear axles, RPO G80.
SERVICE PARTS INFORMATION:
Part Number Description ----------- ------------------ 10950849 Lubricant, Rear Axle (1 litre)
Parts are currently available through CANSPO.
WARRANTY INFORMATION:
As specified in Light Duty Truck Maintenance Schedules, locking rear axle fluid drain and refill is required owner maintenance at the first engine oil change. Failure to drain and refill the rear axle as specified may contribute to a later axle chatter condition. Refer to the appropriate Light Duty Truck Maintenance Schedule or service manual, section OB, for further details on change intervals.
General Motors bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, not a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform those technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, do not assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See a General Motors dealer servicing your brand of General Motors vehicle for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.



Go search the truck forums and report back what you find.


I actually did do a search of the GM truck forums last night, and they were in agreement with your assessment. In fact, the consensus on there was that you should buy the $20 a quart stuff from the dealership, which is a small price to pay compared to a new differential.

Correct because any FM in the oil already is good enough.
 
I know this is probably a question that has been discussed at length on here by someone else, but should I use the Dexron 3 equivalent ATF that is commercially available in stores, or the Dexron VI from the dealership when I change the ATF?
 
Originally Posted By: gradymotorco
I know this is probably a question that has been discussed at length on here by someone else, but should I use the Dexron 3 equivalent ATF that is commercially available in stores, or the Dexron VI from the dealership when I change the ATF?

DEX 6!!! but not from the dealer.
 
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: gradymotorco
I know this is probably a question that has been discussed at length on here by someone else, but should I use the Dexron 3 equivalent ATF that is commercially available in stores, or the Dexron VI from the dealership when I change the ATF?

DEX 6!!! but not from the dealer.



Agreed 100%!!
 
Regarding the GM axle additive discussion:

With the difference in specs that we are talking about whether you have LIMITED slip or a LOCKING diff determining if you should run the additive or not.....I would just drain and refill with Mobil 1 or other synthetic lube. IF you get chatter than add the additive as that will tell you that you have a limited slip.

I think this might be the best approach. I've never heard of G80 option code being anything other than limited slip - but the data posted above by daman proves it as so. I've just put the lube in all my axles for years. I'm gonna have to go and research this some more before I destroy something lol!
 
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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Regarding the GM axle additive discussion:

With the difference in specs that we are talking about whether you have LIMITED slip or a LOCKING diff determining if you should run the additive or not.....I would just drain and refill with Mobil 1 or other synthetic lube. IF you get chatter than add the additive as that will tell you that you have a limited slip.

I think this might be the best approach. I've never heard of G80 option code being anything other than limited slip - but the data posted above by daman proves it as so. I've just put the lube in all my axles for years. I'm gonna have to go and research this some more before I destroy something lol!





I have also added the additive on a service but before the fact of knowing whats what,does it hurt? probably not but using the right lube with FM included its not necessary save your money.
 
Dang. I am in the same boat with an '02.

I cannot find any synthetic 75w90 without FM in the stores. ALL of them say for POSI. I am going to trust the TSB since the G80 is a true locker and I don't want delays or chatter. What can I use?

What about the front diff? Pre 2004 or so calls for non-syn due to the seals used. Does it need the FM type lube or no?

It is not my intent to hijack a thread. I thought the OP would be interested as well as I.

If the ABS light came on after a good bump I would check the wheel sensor harness at each wheel in case one got ripped or came unplugged.

+3 or wherever on Timken hubs.
Thermo Quiet brake pads (Semi metalic - not the ceramic)
If steering feels mushy replace Idler AND Pitman arms
NEVER hose off your motor to clean it unless the knock sensors have already been replaced and waterproofed.

There are a few more quirks with these trucks as you will discover but I will not be getting rid of mine anytime soon.
 
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Originally Posted By: Grebbler
Dang. I am in the same boat with an '02.

I cannot find any synthetic 75w90 without FM in the stores. ALL of them say for POSI. I am going to trust the TSB since the G80 is a true locker and I don't want delays or chatter. What can I use?

What about the front diff? Pre 2004 or so calls for non-syn due to the seals used. Does it need the FM type lube or no?

It is not my intent to hijack a thread. I thought the OP would be interested as well as I.

If the ABS light came on after a good bump I would check the wheel sensor harness at each wheel in case one got ripped or came unplugged.

+3 or wherever on Timken hubs.
Thermo Quiet brake pads (Semi metalic - not the ceramic)
If steering feels mushy replace Idler AND Pitman arms
NEVER hose off your motor to clean it unless the knock sensors have already been replaced and waterproofed.

There are a few more quirks with these trucks as you will discover but I will not be getting rid of mine anytime soon.

You want some,just get a lube that has it already in it is what you want,adding MORE is a no no.

The FM in the lube already is a low dose and all that is needed.
 
Front diffs? nothing special,regular GL is fine,I've been using synthetics in the front on GM's for years no problem.

i have Red line 80w90 GL5 in my 3500 right now.
 
Originally Posted By: daman
Front diffs? nothing special,regular GL is fine,I've been using synthetics in the front on GM's for years no problem.

i have Red line 80w90 GL5 in my 3500 right now.


Right! ...odd thing is I am running RL in my diff too lol!
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: daman
Front diffs? nothing special,regular GL is fine,I've been using synthetics in the front on GM's for years no problem.

i have Red line 80w90 GL5 in my 3500 right now.


Right! ...odd thing is I am running RL in my diff too lol!


No signs of leakage? mine are nice and dry,i was just under there the other day greasing U joints and looked things over good.
 
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: daman
Front diffs? nothing special,regular GL is fine,I've been using synthetics in the front on GM's for years no problem.

i have Red line 80w90 GL5 in my 3500 right now.


Right! ...odd thing is I am running RL in my diff too lol!


No signs of leakage? mine are nice and dry,i was just under there the other day greasing U joints and looked things over good.


Yep, all looking good and dry. Mine is a 2006 Sierra Denali AWD. Been really happy with the truck.
 
I have 2WD so I'm not sure about the front axles, but it seems like I read that the early vent hose was not compatible with synthetics. That can be corrected by using the other hose, which is a different color? Maybe somebody else can verify that.

My research several years ago suggested that the NBS GM trucks have the Eaton Gov-lock locking rear instead of limited slip, at least the 1/2 tons. GM recommends their $30/quart grape-flavored fluid, or equivalent that meets an obscure spec number that no other fluid lists. I settled on Amsoil Severe Gear 75W-90 50,000 miles ago and have had no problems.
 
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