Jumping on filter every other oil change bandwagon

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
But pushing a filter too far, that's another matter entirely. If someone is doing normal 5k oci's extending a $3 Puro Classic to 10k is probably false economy and perhaps unwise as well.


To add, if a filter is pushed too far it can get clogged and produce high delta-P across the media, which increases the chances of causing a media failure. It also increases the occurrence of the bypass valve opening. Both not something you really want to happen. Installing a new filter every OCI would mitigate the possibility of that happening.

Of course, if an engine is pretty new and well maintained (ie, meaning very clean inside), then the filter shouldn't clog even with a 2x OCI (IMO, 15K total max).

 

[diddlyd]

I've recently done a number of 15,000 mile (2x 7500) and 20,000 mile (2x 10,000) intervals on Fram Extraguards (OCOD) and Microgard fram clones, in various Honda engines as the official manual prescribes. no problems, filters look fine when they come off, cars run great. 95% of the advice in the filter forum here is overkill and totally arbitrary based on the posters' imaginations or obsessive compulsions.

 

[asiancivicmaniac]

This sounds interesting. Seeing that the oil filter change is the messiest part of the oil change for me, I think I might give this a go, but extended drain filters cost over twice the cost of a Puro Classic though. The Bosch Distance Plus is something like $12 isn't it?

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: diddlyd
I've recently done a number of 15,000 mile (2x 7500) and 20,000 mile (2x 10,000) intervals on Fram Extraguards (OCOD) and Microgard fram clones, in various Honda engines as the official manual prescribes. no problems, filters look fine when they come off, cars run great. 95% of the advice in the filter forum here is overkill and totally arbitrary based on the posters' imaginations or obsessive compulsions.


Your engines must be very clean.

I'm sure pictures of a 20k Fram would be appreciated here as well.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
This sounds interesting. Seeing that the oil filter change is the messiest part of the oil change for me, I think I might give this a go, but extended drain filters cost over twice the cost of a Puro Classic though. The Bosch Distance Plus is something like $12 isn't it?


How long are your OCI's? You don't necessarily need to jump to a filter of that price range. Fram Ultra's are 9 bucks and if you're engines are relatively clean many other quality filters should be up to the task, such as a PureOne.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
This sounds interesting. Seeing that the oil filter change is the messiest part of the oil change for me, I think I might give this a go, but extended drain filters cost over twice the cost of a Puro Classic though. The Bosch Distance Plus is something like $12 isn't it?


How long are your OCI's? You don't necessarily need to jump to a filter of that price range. Fram Ultra's are 9 bucks and if you're engines are relatively clean many other quality filters should be up to the task, such as a PureOne.


The Ultra is advertised as a 15K OCI filter per FRAM's website.

http://fram.com/products/oil_filters/fram_ultra_oil_filter

 

[3311]

I don't see an issue with it if people want to do it, but I prefer to change the filter at each oci. It's worth it to me to get as much used oil out of the engine as possible. Heck, I feel more comfortable using a lesser but quality filter such a Classic at each oci then a premium filter
at every other oci and leaving some used/spent oil in the engine.

I think if cost is a consideration, a two classics and a quart or two of oil works out to be about the same.

 

[ledslinger]

Filter post mortem analysis can give you some info to determine if your engine's filter can go 2 OCIs. I began to use filters for 2 OCIs on my wife's 2001 Accord because the manual recommended it. I did 3500 miles OCIs (recommended interval 7500) on it for years and the oil change without the filter was a fast and easy one. I have verified to my satisfaction that the filter can handle it by cutting some open.

I have cut open filters on some of my other vehicles and verified they can go more than one OCI, one on a known sludger (2.7 Chrysler) On this engine filter debris in the form of apparent carbon has trended down since I got the car with 57K miles to now being negligible 20K later. This has been with 5K OCIs with synthetic. I will stick with changing the filter every oil change, even though I thick I could go 2 OCIs.

 

[sir1900]

So general question here: do you dump the used oil that's in the filter and then re-install it or do you just simply leave it and not touch it at all?

My oil stash includes:

M1 AFE 0W20 SN
QSUD 0W20 SN
TGMO 0W20 SN (Canadian version)

So whatever oil I decide to use, will be using one of the above oils for both OCIs

 

[Umibozu]

Originally Posted By: diddlyd
I've recently done a number of 15,000 mile (2x 7500) and 20,000 mile (2x 10,000) intervals on Fram Extraguards (OCOD) and Microgard fram clones, in various Honda engines as the official manual prescribes. no problems, filters look fine when they come off, cars run great. 95% of the advice in the filter forum here is overkill and totally arbitrary based on the posters' imaginations or obsessive compulsions.


As mentioned before, if the OEM recommends something there should be no issue as long as the materials used meet or exceed OEM specifications.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Why Honda recommends FCI on second OCI with their tiny oil filter in most vehicles, except the S2000 ?

 

[asiancivicmaniac]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Why Honda recommends FCI on second OCI with their tiny oil filter in most vehicles, except the S2000 ?


I remember the filter on my Civic was a pain in the rear to access.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sir1900
So general question here: do you dump the used oil that's in the filter and then re-install it or do you just simply leave it and not touch it at all?


I'd leave the filter on. I highly doubt that Honda and others that recommend a 2 OCI use of the filter say in the Service Manual to remove the filter to dump the oil and re-install.

 

[Umibozu]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Why Honda recommends FCI on second OCI with their tiny oil filter in most vehicles, except the S2000 ?


Maybe they consider S2000 drivers to be driving the car in a different manner than the other cars in the fleet due to it's sporty nature.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm still a little leery, here's why. Over the years I've removed several filters, all makes, including Purolator, Fram, Wicks, Napa, Hastings, Mobil 1, and a few others which had very little oil in them, from an engine that was just shut down. Imagine leaving a filter on that wasn't working properly for 2 OCI's?

Then again, since oil filter failure rates are miniscule, you're actually increasing the chances you'll stumble across a bad filter by changing more often. You could be replacing a perfectly good one with the rare bad one.

But pushing a filter too far, that's another matter entirely. If someone is doing normal 5k oci's extending a $3 Puro Classic to 10k is probably false economy and perhaps unwise as well.


That's the flip side of the discussion. Like I said I've seen plenty of filters that had very little oil in them and it had nothing to do with how they are positioned. The other thing is by not removing and dumping the oil in the filter you're leaving behind in some cases almost 20% of dirty oil, not counting what doesn't come out of the engine. I guess its just my old school way of thinking.

Maybe I'll try it but I'll remove the filter see if it actually has a good amount of oil, drain it, re-use it, making sure there are no leaks. I think that would satisfy me.

 

[LeakySeals]

Originally Posted By: sir1900
So general question here: do you dump the used oil that's in the filter and then re-install it or do you just simply leave it and not touch it at all?
I quickly take it off, pour in the pan, screw it back on. Takes less than a minute. Media's already primed, no noticeable dry start-ups. Nets more or less oil depending on how long since it was running. Estimate 1/4 qt cold to 1/2 qt max hot. But that's not the reason I do it. I'm paranoid the filter will be hard to get off if its left in place.

 

[HerrStig]

Filter gaskets are made to be reused how many times? I'd say no more than one installation.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Filter gaskets are made to be reused how many times? I'd say no more than one installation.

Over the years Ive reused MANY filters and not one has leaked or weeped no problems what so ever. The gasket is perfectly fine for reuse.

I'm on my second run with a NAPA Platinum,removed it dumped the old oil out let it drain then reused it.

 

[cp3]

I've been thinking about trying this too, especially considering I have 2 M1s for each car.

Undecided about the leave or dump though. In my case, if I change on the OLM in the G6, I am sure there is going to be TBN left so leaving the old oil in there won't be too much of a worry. On the other hand, I'm also thinking about resetting the OLM and running it down another 20-30% to use up at least some of that TBN. In this case I think I'd be more comfortable dumping out the filter and all of the oil held above it.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: cp3
I've been thinking about trying this too, especially considering I have 2 M1s for each car.

Undecided about the leave or dump though. In my case, if I change on the OLM in the G6, I am sure there is going to be TBN left so leaving the old oil in there won't be too much of a worry. On the other hand, I'm also thinking about resetting the OLM and running it down another 20-30% to use up at least some of that TBN. In this case I think I'd be more comfortable dumping out the filter and all of the oil held above it.


I always dump I'm just anal about that stuff,its easy to do and don't take long at all.