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I've been running Mobil 1 for 10K miles for a while. I could probably stretch it a bit longer, but don't.
I can usually get it for $27/5 quart, and my car takes 6.5. That's $81 for enough oil for two oil changes(with a little left over for top-ups).
At $12.95 for one quart for Amsoil Signature, that's $91 for an oil change that is claimed to last 25,000 miles. So, yes, it's a little less expensive than Mobil 1(the way I use it), but the difference isn't drastic.
Aside from that, 10K miles runs me 8 or 9 months, so it's not like I'm spending a huge amount of time changing my oil either. That's a pretty good frequency to crawl around under the car and make sure there's nothing else amiss or needing attention.
So, I would argue that for me, I don't see any advantage of using a boutique oil. The financial savings is minimal, the time savings is minimal, and if something happens that I need a quart of top-off oil, I can get it anywhere.
So, does someone want to give me an argument as to what advantage Amsoil would have for me?
I can usually get it for $27/5 quart, and my car takes 6.5. That's $81 for enough oil for two oil changes(with a little left over for top-ups).
At $12.95 for one quart for Amsoil Signature, that's $91 for an oil change that is claimed to last 25,000 miles. So, yes, it's a little less expensive than Mobil 1(the way I use it), but the difference isn't drastic.
Aside from that, 10K miles runs me 8 or 9 months, so it's not like I'm spending a huge amount of time changing my oil either. That's a pretty good frequency to crawl around under the car and make sure there's nothing else amiss or needing attention.
So, I would argue that for me, I don't see any advantage of using a boutique oil. The financial savings is minimal, the time savings is minimal, and if something happens that I need a quart of top-off oil, I can get it anywhere.
So, does someone want to give me an argument as to what advantage Amsoil would have for me?
Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by StevieC
What are you basing your opinion on. What's the proof. Don't be silly.
I don't think you understand proof. I'm saying it MLM rubs people the wrong way. It rubs me the wrong way. I'm part of the people. Therefore this is proof that MLM rubs people the wrong way.
Basically many people feel that MLM is just another pyramid scheme. It's great for those get in at the bottom, not so great for those at the bottom and have no realistic chance of getting to the top. These types of schemes require a special set of skills and the ability to execute which not all possess although the marketers like to tell people otherwise.
I've known a few people that tried to drag me into their MLM schemes, they'd try to waste my time telling me how great it is. Then a few years later they're out the business as they can't make any money at it.
And i'm asking for proof that it rubs people the wrong way in mass amounts not your "few". Where are these stats that justify it?
Why aren't all MLM companies failing?
Why do most of them belong to the Direct Sellers Association that sets out best practices and ethics for these business models?
Heck why does Amsoils sales continue to grow then?
You are entitled to think what you want but can't generalize based on your opinion and the "few" others around you.
Would you be racist toward an ethnic background based on dealing with a few people of a particular ethnicity? No you wouldn't right?
Then base what you say on facts not feelings. Or state factual experiences.
Originally Posted by StevieC
What are you basing your opinion on. What's the proof. Don't be silly.
I don't think you understand proof. I'm saying it MLM rubs people the wrong way. It rubs me the wrong way. I'm part of the people. Therefore this is proof that MLM rubs people the wrong way.
Basically many people feel that MLM is just another pyramid scheme. It's great for those get in at the bottom, not so great for those at the bottom and have no realistic chance of getting to the top. These types of schemes require a special set of skills and the ability to execute which not all possess although the marketers like to tell people otherwise.
I've known a few people that tried to drag me into their MLM schemes, they'd try to waste my time telling me how great it is. Then a few years later they're out the business as they can't make any money at it.
And i'm asking for proof that it rubs people the wrong way in mass amounts not your "few". Where are these stats that justify it?
Why aren't all MLM companies failing?
Why do most of them belong to the Direct Sellers Association that sets out best practices and ethics for these business models?
Heck why does Amsoils sales continue to grow then?
You are entitled to think what you want but can't generalize based on your opinion and the "few" others around you.
Would you be racist toward an ethnic background based on dealing with a few people of a particular ethnicity? No you wouldn't right?
Then base what you say on facts not feelings. Or state factual experiences.
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Put Amsoil on the shelf at a competitive price and I may buy it. In my opinion, the only reason they don't is because they know they'd fall on their face. Their rely in their cult-like following to make sales, like any other MLM
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by StevieC
Why aren't all MLM companies failing?
see, there you go with your all or nothing strawman handwaving...
Oh, and again, it's amsoil fanboy histrionics.
I didn't ask you ShamWow (Since you like this name better)
Originally Posted by StevieC
Why aren't all MLM companies failing?
see, there you go with your all or nothing strawman handwaving...
Oh, and again, it's amsoil fanboy histrionics.
I didn't ask you ShamWow (Since you like this name better)
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Put Amsoil on the shelf at a competitive price and I may buy it. In my opinion, the only reason they don't is because they know they'd fall on their face. Their rely in their cult-like following to make sales, like any other MLM
And that's fine that you don't want to buy it at that price. No issue with that. It's why I reccomend a shelf oil unless someone is looking for something specific or to do extended OCI's then I will recommend Amsoil because shelf oils are just fine for most applications and offer great protection for 8K-10K miles or less.
I have an issue with members saying that folks aren't buying it because it's sold through MLM when that isn't the case and hasn't been the case for them in 40 years or we would see the sales stagnating or declining. That alone proves it's his "Feelings" about MLM and not facts about MLM.
Put Amsoil on the shelf at a competitive price and I may buy it. In my opinion, the only reason they don't is because they know they'd fall on their face. Their rely in their cult-like following to make sales, like any other MLM
And that's fine that you don't want to buy it at that price. No issue with that. It's why I reccomend a shelf oil unless someone is looking for something specific or to do extended OCI's then I will recommend Amsoil because shelf oils are just fine for most applications and offer great protection for 8K-10K miles or less.
I have an issue with members saying that folks aren't buying it because it's sold through MLM when that isn't the case and hasn't been the case for them in 40 years or we would see the sales stagnating or declining. That alone proves it's his "Feelings" about MLM and not facts about MLM.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
I have an issue with members saying that folks aren't buying it because it's sold through MLM when that isn't the case and hasn't been the case for them in 40 years or we would see the sales stagnating or declining. That alone proves it's his "Feelings" about MLM and not facts about MLM.
Again with your logical fallacies...no, people being turned off by MLM doesn't mean that they go broke, and the fact that they are not broke does not PROVE that people aren't turned off by MLM...If you are going to try to argue, at least make sure that your position is in the least part logical..
Just like lack of lawsuits doesn't mean superior.
I have an issue with members saying that folks aren't buying it because it's sold through MLM when that isn't the case and hasn't been the case for them in 40 years or we would see the sales stagnating or declining. That alone proves it's his "Feelings" about MLM and not facts about MLM.
Again with your logical fallacies...no, people being turned off by MLM doesn't mean that they go broke, and the fact that they are not broke does not PROVE that people aren't turned off by MLM...If you are going to try to argue, at least make sure that your position is in the least part logical..
Just like lack of lawsuits doesn't mean superior.
AGAIN I DIDN'T POST THAT TO YOU.
Originally Posted by StevieC
AGAIN I DIDN'T POST THAT TO YOU.
It's an open forum...and in you are petitioning a wider audience in your ramblings rather than trying to keep it one on one. In referring to your alleged individual addressee in discussions with others, you are expanding the conversation to the community, not individually.
You seem to think that you can say anything, any where, anytime, about anyone or anything time including other threads, other times, and other discussion,, but want to limit the rebuttals to suit your favour.
AGAIN I DIDN'T POST THAT TO YOU.
It's an open forum...and in you are petitioning a wider audience in your ramblings rather than trying to keep it one on one. In referring to your alleged individual addressee in discussions with others, you are expanding the conversation to the community, not individually.
You seem to think that you can say anything, any where, anytime, about anyone or anything time including other threads, other times, and other discussion,, but want to limit the rebuttals to suit your favour.
No but you seem to have a habit of stocking my posts and other members you disagree with.
Originally Posted by PimTac
A simple question; why does amsoil stick to their current marketing and distribution instead of selling their products retail like everyone else? They have brand recognition.
I would think their sales would soar.
You would have to ask them. It seems to work for them or they wouldn't be doing it. Businesses are about profits and they seem to be quite healthy. Maybe Pablo knows...
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A simple question; why does amsoil stick to their current marketing and distribution instead of selling their products retail like everyone else? They have brand recognition.
I would think their sales would soar.
You would have to ask them. It seems to work for them or they wouldn't be doing it. Businesses are about profits and they seem to be quite healthy. Maybe Pablo knows...
*Warning this statement might not meet ShamWow's standards. You should PM him for further details.
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Originally Posted by PimTac
A simple question; why does amsoil stick to their current marketing and distribution instead of selling their products retail like everyone else? They have brand recognition.
I would think their sales would soar.
This was already answered earlier in this thread.
A simple question; why does amsoil stick to their current marketing and distribution instead of selling their products retail like everyone else? They have brand recognition.
I would think their sales would soar.
This was already answered earlier in this thread.
Originally Posted by StevieC
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You HAVE read the Wikipedia description, haven't you??? Proceed cautiously. "Known as much for his skills as his quest ....... Shannow is regarded as potentially insane, and travels from town to town killing outlawsfor money from Canada."
Thanks, guys. I enjoy your posts and respect both of you for different reasons, not that either of you should care.
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You HAVE read the Wikipedia description, haven't you??? Proceed cautiously. "Known as much for his skills as his quest ....... Shannow is regarded as potentially insane, and travels from town to town killing outlaws
Thanks, guys. I enjoy your posts and respect both of you for different reasons, not that either of you should care.
Originally Posted by doitmyself
Originally Posted by StevieC
*Warning this statement might not meet ShamWow's standards. You should PM him for further details.
You HAVE read the Wikipedia description, haven't you??? Proceed cautiously. "Known as much for his skills as his quest ....... Shannow is regarded as potentially insane, and travels from town to town killing outlawsfor money from Canada."
Thanks, guys. I enjoy your posts and respect both of you for different reasons, not that either of you should care.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
*Warning this statement might not meet ShamWow's standards. You should PM him for further details.
You HAVE read the Wikipedia description, haven't you??? Proceed cautiously. "Known as much for his skills as his quest ....... Shannow is regarded as potentially insane, and travels from town to town killing outlaws
Thanks, guys. I enjoy your posts and respect both of you for different reasons, not that either of you should care.
Originally Posted by StevieC
And i'm asking for proof that it rubs people the wrong way in mass amounts not your "few". Where are these stats that justify it?
Why aren't all MLM companies failing?
Why do most of them belong to the Direct Sellers Association that sets out best practices and ethics for these business models?
Heck why does Amsoils sales continue to grow then?
You are entitled to think what you want but can't generalize based on your opinion and the "few" others around you.
Would you be racist toward an ethnic background based on dealing with a few people of a particular ethnicity? No you wouldn't right?
Then base what you say on facts not feelings. Or state factual experiences.
Sorry Stevie, although I think you mean well, your logic is a bit weak and you're a little too close so you don't see the forest for the trees.
You're basically asking for proof for an opinion. There is no proof when it comes to an opinion.
MLM companies reach a peak where all the people who might believe in the product reach saturation and you hit a point where people leaving and entering hit somewhat of an equilibrium. Just because they haven't failed yet doesn't mean that it doesn't hit people the wrong way. There's Amway, MaryKay and a few others out there, still MLM and lots of people don't want to deal with them but they haven't gone out of business. That's really the wrong metric.
As for being racist, that applies to individual humans, not to companies. Companies don't have an ethnicity. Individuals can't control their ethnicity. Companies have full control over how they operate. As I said, your logic is weak.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing
And i'm asking for proof that it rubs people the wrong way in mass amounts not your "few". Where are these stats that justify it?
Why aren't all MLM companies failing?
Why do most of them belong to the Direct Sellers Association that sets out best practices and ethics for these business models?
Heck why does Amsoils sales continue to grow then?
You are entitled to think what you want but can't generalize based on your opinion and the "few" others around you.
Would you be racist toward an ethnic background based on dealing with a few people of a particular ethnicity? No you wouldn't right?
Then base what you say on facts not feelings. Or state factual experiences.
Sorry Stevie, although I think you mean well, your logic is a bit weak and you're a little too close so you don't see the forest for the trees.
You're basically asking for proof for an opinion. There is no proof when it comes to an opinion.
MLM companies reach a peak where all the people who might believe in the product reach saturation and you hit a point where people leaving and entering hit somewhat of an equilibrium. Just because they haven't failed yet doesn't mean that it doesn't hit people the wrong way. There's Amway, MaryKay and a few others out there, still MLM and lots of people don't want to deal with them but they haven't gone out of business. That's really the wrong metric.
As for being racist, that applies to individual humans, not to companies. Companies don't have an ethnicity. Individuals can't control their ethnicity. Companies have full control over how they operate. As I said, your logic is weak.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing
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