97 Honda Civic, 104,000 miles on 3K-changes with Valvoline 5w-30 AllClimate, has never burned or leaked a drop. Good thing, since it's my wife's car and she never checks it. She says that's what I am for...
My thoughts exactly! I liken valvoline all-climate to fram oil filters. Will it cause your engine to blow up? Probably not, but there are better products out there for your money. All the people in the world could come and defend Valvoline AC and say they have run it without troubles, but i still would not buy it myself becasue i think i can get a better oil for the money.quote:
Originally posted by bighead:
Back on topic... I think some people coming to the rescue on Valvoline's behalf keep mentioning Maxlife and their other lines of oils, which are in fact good. However, I think what we're trying to show is that the AC is slighly over priced for what you get. Granted, ANY oil run for 3K will show great UOA's, but will you have that safety cushion if you accidentaly go for 5 or 6K? Some say ST dino is good, but has a slightly weak add pack, but look at it's price point. Same goes for the ST syn. If I could get Valvoline AC for under 2 bucks WITHOUT having to wait for some silly 50 cents off sale, then yeah I'd be inclined to give it a go for a few short OCI's. But I think for as much as(and often more) than Havoline, Pennzoil, GTX, it just doesn't do it for me. Sorry, don't mean to offend any of the long time Valvoline faithful, just my unprofessional opinion.
I'm beginning to think that what you just stated is very close to fact. It also makes me wonder if any of us really have a clue to one being better than another. Many here have stated that any SM oil is good, and I think that is probably the single, most sensible bit of truth I've heard here.quote:
Originally posted by Buford T. Justice:
Zesty: I don't think so. It shows very good VOAs and UOAs.
I am sitting here wondering if Valvoline AC is really weak. People who use it get great results for the UOAs I have read on this site.
Perhaps they have a proprietary formula or additive package. The VOAs and UOAs are kind of like autopsy reports in a way. An autopsy only looks for certain things especially when the toxicology tests are run. They have to know what chemical to look for in order to find it.
I talked about this a few posts back. I think the main focus is on the All Climate stuff. The Maxlife, Durablend, etc, are all good oils. It's the plain-jane dino stuff that has us pondering...quote:
Originally posted by Zesty:
I don't know as much as 90% of the people on this forum. But I was under the impression that Valvoline's Max-Life line was pretty widely accepted as a quality oil.
The dino Max-Life is constantly on sale for about $2/quart. I don't see how this is any more expensive than Castrol, Mobil, Pennzoil, or really any other major name-brand of high-mileage oil.
Does the Max-Life tend to be a "weaker" oil than the others?
Exactly. Just because the VOA does not show the "normal" things does not make it a "weaker" oil. As said, the UOA's all look good.quote:
Originally posted by bruce381:
"Its just that its additive pack is weaker COMPARED to other oils......."
says who how do you know ALL the additves????
bruce
Maybe moly is not the Godsend that everyone thinks it is. Paid professionals formulate this stuff. Do you really think they are going to produce and market some sort of crap that isn't good for your car? Especially Valvoline?quote:
Originally posted by Buford T. Justice:
I will admit to one thing though. Everything I read seems to indicate that 200-400 ppm moly is great for oil. I wish Valvoline AC had more than 0, lol. The other Valvoline oils have this range of moly in them.
Thank you....... Look at mobil 1, gc, countless other oils do not have much moly and they appear to protect just fine.quote:
Originally posted by grbr95:
Maybe moly is not the Godsend that everyone thinks it is. Paid professionals formulate this stuff. Do you really think they are going to produce and market some sort of crap that isn't good for your car? Especially Valvoline?quote:
Originally posted by Buford T. Justice:
I will admit to one thing though. Everything I read seems to indicate that 200-400 ppm moly is great for oil. I wish Valvoline AC had more than 0, lol. The other Valvoline oils have this range of moly in them.