Is the new 0W-40 the same as the old 0W-40

[shortyb]

So, Castrol seems to have re-supplied 0W-40 in the newer A3/B4 Euro flavor. I can get it on the big A for $27.94 shipped Prime gratis. I'm down to one jug of the old stuff and wondered about the new, IS it the same? Seems to have a couple changes in the SAPS is up a tad and VI is also. Flash went up 5C and PP is up. Can source M1 FS 0W-40 @ $24.97, but not so much an Mobil 1 fan (sorry Overkill). All for older VW 502/505 applications. Would like to go 504/507, but Castrol's LL3 is long gone/too expensive now. Thought about Valvoline XLIII .

 

[Graham Piccinini]

With enough hair-splitting yes, there is a small difference. More realistically: you may be stressing out over nothing. It's still good stuff, and most likely a lot more capable than what is needed for your application. Use it with confidence, unless you're just looking for reasons to try a different brand.

 

[shortyb]

Not so much for trying a different brand as I am going to a 504/507 for better deposit control. And even THAT may be hairsplitting too as ANY of the "top shelf" 502/505s should be pretty good relative to deposits. More to resigning myself to the fact that even though all my cars get driven pretty hard, they are STILL gonna need blasting at some point no matter what oil I use. VW/Turbo/DI=dirty girl.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

This is the PDS from April 24, 2022: https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...0E662EA8025882F0048BFEF/$File/wepp-cdtt2a.pdf

It looks like they updated the additive package. It looks like it's API SP now, and that Castrol EDGE Euro 0W-40 has BMW LL01 again, wow.

This was one of my favorite oils for a very long time. It's still 50/50 Group III/PAO.

 

[kschachn]

If you want a VW 504 00 oil then Valvoline XL-III in the three-pack from Amazon is the way to go. $26.24 for 5 quarts.

 

[930.engineering]

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What about Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 0W-30?

Pennzoil Platinum® Euro LX with PurePlus™ Technology MB 229.51, MB 229.52, VW 504 00, 507 00, Porsche C30
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[gogydm]

I am going to wait until Walmart starts carrying it. @shortyb please let us know if it is in fact SP rated when you receive yours. Not that it matters so much, just to see if it's of the newer batch.

 

[shortyb]

@gogydm, will do. And @930.engineering, never been much of a Pennz fan with a couple UOAs in the past that weren't all that. Castrol seems to hold up the best for me in terms of fuel dilution.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

This is the PDS from April 24, 2022: https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...0E662EA8025882F0048BFEF/$File/wepp-cdtt2a.pdf

It looks like they updated the additive package. It looks like it's API SP now, and that Castrol EDGE Euro 0W-40 has BMW LL01 again, wow.

This was one of my favorite oils for a very long time. It's still 50/50 Group III/PAO.

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There's no proof that Castrol 0w-40 has LL01. The performance claims contradict the approvals elsewhere.

 

[kschachn]

@gogydm, will do. And @930.engineering, never been much of a Pennz fan with a couple UOAs in the past that weren't all that. Castrol seems to hold up the best for me in terms of fuel dilution.

So you believe a $30 spectrographic analysis is more definitive than approval the oil holds?

 

[shortyb]

So you believe a $30 spectrographic analysis is more definitive than approval the oil holds?

Uh, no. But the ones interpreted for me (and NOT B-stone labs BTW) by a very well respected tribologist that used to hang around here do. Not subjective, they were done in my cars, with my environment, driving style, fuels etc.

To be fair, none of the Pennzoil analysis were with the Euro LX. Now if I go down the VW504 rabbit hole, it will be on the short list along with the Valvoline and M1 ESP.

 

[edyvw]

This is the PDS from April 24, 2022: https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/...0E662EA8025882F0048BFEF/$File/wepp-cdtt2a.pdf

It looks like they updated the additive package. It looks like it's API SP now, and that Castrol EDGE Euro 0W-40 has BMW LL01 again, wow.

This was one of my favorite oils for a very long time. It's still 50/50 Group III/PAO.

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It is not.
Old one had pour point -60, this one has -45. Less PAO in new one for sure.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

It is not.
Old one had pour point -60, this one has -45. Less PAO in new one for sure.

The additive package can also influence the pour point, as do viscosity improvers.

 

[kschachn]

Uh, no. But the ones interpreted for me (and NOT B-stone labs BTW) by a very well respected tribologist that used to hang around here do. Not subjective, they were done in my cars, with my environment, driving style, fuels etc.

To be fair, none of the Pennzoil analysis were with the Euro LX. Now if I go down the VW504 rabbit hole, it will be on the short list along with the Valvoline and M1 ESP.

Well as you note that analysis gave indications of your engine health as operated under your unique operating conditions. It did not give a quality comparison between any two oils. That’s not possible.

 

[kschachn]

The additive package can also influence the pour point, as do viscosity improvers.

And pour point depressants.

 

[edyvw]

The additive package can also influence the pour point, as do viscosity improvers.

Yes, but clearly it does not have the same amount of PAO!
I would say it is closer to 25%.

 

[shortyb]

Well as you note that analysis gave indications of your engine health as operated under your unique operating conditions. It did not give a quality comparison between any two oils. That’s not possible.

Absolutely correct. At least not outside of my bubble. And what drove my comment about me, personally, not being a PZ fan. Times have changed tough .

 

[Deleted member 89374]

And pour point depressants.

It no longer carries the Porsche A40 approval, so it's a strange brew that has more in common with PP Euro 0W-40 than anything else.

 

[shortyb]

Got a big box from the dark gray truck guys. The 0W-40 A3/B4 I received is still API SN, NO LL-01 (actually no BMW approvals on the label), has Porsche A40, Mercedes 229.3/.5, and VW 502/505 listed on the back of the bottle. Still, for the $27.94, I paid with no shipping (yes, I pay for Prime, so there's some) and the $50 gift card I had laying around on the account, it wasn't a bad deal for a really good oil.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Got a big box from the dark gray truck guys.

There is always Mobil 1 FS 0W-40