Is Keeping Your Old Car Better For The Environment?

[OVERKILL]

@CharlesInCharge

Watch this video with an open mind. You'll understand what I mean with respect to the "pockets", as they are covered in there:


He spends two days in the exclusion zone, including visiting Pripyat and the actual plant and gets the same dose as a 2-hour flight.

 

[OVERKILL]

The FDA just lifted many of the restrictions on food from Fukushima. In addition, Japanese fishermen have been allowed to fish in waters that were closed.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pub...shima-daiichi-nuclear-power-facility-incident

Yup, and people are allowed to move back now too. The clean-up effort, while not yet complete, has been extremely effective and the Japanese are doing an incredible job.

 

[CharlesInCharge]

Governments never lie and always do what's best for the people. lol.

Let's end the debate on nuclear reactors and return to the topic at hand.

 

[OVERKILL]

Governments never lie and always do what's best for the people. lol.

Let's end the debate on nuclear reactors and return to the topic at hand.

Watch the video.

And no, nuclear is entirely germane to the topic at hand because there are only two modes of power generation on the planet that can do baseload without emissions, one is hydro, the other is nuclear, and with a BEV or PHEV, this has a tremendous impact on the lifecycle emissions of the vehicle.

 

[dishdude]

If you have HBO, the Chernobyl miniseries is a great show, highly recommended.

Keep in mind we're discussing an accident that happened in the 80's using 1950's Soviet technology. It doesn't apply to any technology or design being used today.

 

[PimTac]

The build-out of nuclear in both Ontario and France was extremely rapid. It's quite possible to, on the electricity front, go to a minimal fossil grid in about 20 years if the will and regulatory environment were conducive. The problem of course is that they aren't. We built 24 reactors in the span of about 30 years, yet it took almost a decade just to get the EA approved for Darlington B. The West is not setup to execute massive infrastructure projects efficiently anymore, the bureaucracy and red tape prohibit it.

And no, nuclear is entirely germane to the topic at hand because there are only two modes of power generation on the planet that can do baseload without emissions, one is hydro, the other is nuclear, and with a BEV or PHEV, this has a tremendous impact on the lifecycle emissions of the vehicle.

Your first comment reminded me of the Washington Public Power Supply System (WPPSS) and how that got screwed up in grand fashion. Your last comment tied it together in a sense.

The powers to be knew that we needed more power. Hydro was and still is our main source but we were selling large amounts to California. Now with our population and industry increasing over the last 40-50 years I venture to say those nuclear plants are missed. The vision was there when these nuclear plants were planned and started construction but I don’t see that same vision here now. To make matters worse, many want the dams removed.

Here is a link for those not familiar with WPPSS and yes we called it as it looks. Woops.


https://www.historylink.org/File/5482

 

[930.engineering]

I didn't buy my Tesla for it's green-ness, so it's just a bonus.

There's no "bonus'. It isn't 'green' at all.
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[Cujet]

One consideration that is overlooked.

The EV's look really good largely because the grid contains Nuclear and Hydroelectric power, which very favorable CO2-wise. Power an EV with a combined cycle Natural Gas power plant, account for the stack of losses (generator-plant internal loads-transformer-grid-transformer-charger-battery charge losses-overnight losses-battery discharge losses-controller-motor-drivetrain-wheel).

Then compare to a modern hybrid, such as the 50mpg Camry Hybrid, and the numbers are not anywhere near as EV favorable.

The claim that EV's are so amazingly efficient, simply falls flat. Tell me again how much coal or natural gas is consumed to push a Model S 20 miles in the winter? The answer is 10 pounds of coal or 114,000 BTU.

But we are not allowed to talk about that.

 

[CharlesInCharge]

One consideration that is overlooked.

The EV's look really good largely because the grid contains Nuclear and Hydroelectric power, which very favorable CO2-wise. Power an EV with a combined cycle Natural Gas power plant, account for the stack of losses (generator-plant internal loads-transformer-grid-transformer-charger-battery charge losses-overnight losses-battery discharge losses-controller-motor-drivetrain-wheel).

Then compare to a modern hybrid, such as the 50mpg Camry Hybrid, and the numbers are not anywhere near as EV favorable.

The claim that EV's are so amazingly efficient, simply falls flat. Tell me again how much coal or natural gas is consumed to push a Model S 20 miles in the winter? The answer is 10 pounds of coal or 114,000 BTU.

But we are not allowed to talk about that.

Or the unplanned environmental costs of a major nuclear accident. They do happen. They have happened. And no matter how careful we are, humans and our folly will cause accidents whether thru negligence or sabotage or attack, and then we'll condemn and entire region due to nuclear waste. It's in our destiny. And then, the folly of EVs will have to have on their side of the equation, the nuclear waste equation.

 

[OVERKILL]

Or the unplanned environmental costs of a major nuclear accident. They do happen. They have happened. And no matter how careful we are, humans and our folly will cause accidents whether thru negligence or sabotage or attack, and then we'll condemn and entire region due to nuclear waste. It's in our destiny. And then, the folly of EVs will have to have on their side of the equation, the nuclear waste equation.

Well, you are committed, I'll give you that. Woefully paranoid and ignorant, but committed.

Mind you, we've already got some pretty massive areas poisoned by actual waste (used nuclear fuel isn't waste, it can be recycled):
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth

 

[PimTac]

Sounds like going back to the Dark Ages.

 

[Astro14]

OK, this has gone far enough.