Is Extra Moly Good?

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The only oil I see that have alot of moly, and what is alot?, are the new Toyota and Honda 0-20. When the price went up re. moly, Havoline as an example reduced their add. pack re moly. Pennzoil seems to have added more boron in moly place.Moly like in
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Valvoline is near 0 as is boron so I have no idea what that means. I know Honda ff is loaded with moly, but the Mobil dino is not at all. This is suppose to be the source of the Honda now being sold at the stealers around the country. Good point being made, and I am sorry I did not ask PENNZOIL in that thread that is now locked.
Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
Doesn't M1 have a lot of moly? What other synthetics have a lot? I don't think Synpower has any.
 
Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
Doesn't M1 have a lot of moly? What other synthetics have a lot? I don't think Synpower has any.

No not really,around 80-100ish is all i remember off hand.
 
If the oil is formulated with extra moly I think that's a good thing. I don't think adding extra moly through a product like MoS2 is a good idea though.
 
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
Doesn't M1 have a lot of moly? What other synthetics have a lot? I don't think Synpower has any.

No not really,around 80-100ish is all i remember off hand.


All the newer (GF5?) stuff appears to be over 100 even using Blackstone Numbers (Which seem low).

I have some late April production 5W-20 M1 Im considering sending to Polaris Indy for a VOA as I have a 15 year history with this lab and have never gotten "funny" numbers.
 
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
What are Moly effects on a catalytic converter?


Negligible but not nonexistent. So far no alternative has proven itself both effective and superior for the cat.
 
Originally Posted By: Gene K
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
Doesn't M1 have a lot of moly? What other synthetics have a lot? I don't think Synpower has any.

No not really,around 80-100ish is all i remember off hand.


All the newer (GF5?) stuff appears to be over 100 even using Blackstone Numbers (Which seem low).

I have some late April production 5W-20 M1 Im considering sending to Polaris Indy for a VOA as I have a 15 year history with this lab and have never gotten "funny" numbers.

I've noticed levels have been increasing.
 
Originally Posted By: c3po
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/redline-5w-20.126698/

Redline 5W-20 has 673 on the Moly.


Yes, but you can get it to your desired amount of Moly.

I poured a half a can in my Crankcase. The stuff looks like Grease. The oil is now also a little bit Darker.

I did not add the whole can of Mos2. Maybe SOME extra Moly will help the interaction of the Oil and the Metal Parts? If the Manufacturer didnt add a lot, perhaps they werent looking to add the Effects of extra Moly.. hence, the can of Moly.
 
A lot of anything isn't good. I have talked to race team mechanics who say that using moly in excess has caused the cam lobes to pit. This has been regurgitated by many I have talked to. I don't know if there is any truth to this but they claim they have seen it.

Mechtech, I thought I saw a VOA, albeit a couple of years ago where it showed that there was little to no moly in their oils. Maybe I am mistaken. Is LiquiMoly and LubroMoly one and the same?

I am a big fan of Molybdenum. I have always believed that anything that is a friction modifier and doesn't adversely affect film strength is a good thing. Not only for fuel economy but more so for heat reduction that can/may play a role in less shearing, more viscosity stable and may increase oil life. One of the role of motor oil is to dissipate heat and less friction can only help in this regard, and less work for an oil to perform.
 
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Liqui Moly and Lubro Moly are the same. The names are for Europe and North America.
Factory Moly in oil and the supplemental [different] type are proven winners.
My original post was to show that they had moly in their hand if the MPG requirements needed to be improved. Already a done deal.
 
Originally Posted By: sxg6
If the oil is formulated with extra moly I think that's a good thing. I don't think adding extra moly through a product like MoS2 is a good idea though.


I've been looking for more info, can you explain your thoughts?
 
I'm no chemist, but I reason that there's only so much capacity for moly uptake on resident surfaces. A formulator can balance out the various additive components to work well without encountering unproductive side effects.

It can be a case where more is better, but that doesn't mean that much more is "much mo bettah".

Here's what too much moly can do for you as a freelance blender.

 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I'm no chemist, but I reason that there's only so much capacity for moly uptake on resident surfaces. A formulator can balance out the various additive components to work well without encountering unproductive side effects.

It can be a case where more is better, but that doesn't mean that much more is "much mo bettah".

Here's what too much moly can do for you as a freelance blender.




Hi Gary,

I've seen those pictures before, what harm/damage did it cause, or was it just bleeding out over a period of a few oil changes? That was from VSOT IIRC (which is pretty thick). Did VSOT contain MoS2, or the other moly that RL and Schaeffers use? The VSOT I have a is a brownish color with no traces of the silver/gray that LM has. Thanks
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I'm no chemist, but I reason that there's only so much capacity for moly uptake on resident surfaces. A formulator can balance out the various additive components to work well without encountering unproductive side effects.

It can be a case where more is better, but that doesn't mean that much more is "much mo bettah".

Here's what too much moly can do for you as a freelance blender.




Hi Gary,

I've seen those pictures before, what harm/damage did it cause, or was it just bleeding out over a period of a few oil changes? That was from VSOT IIRC (which is pretty thick). Did VSOT contain MoS2, or the other moly that RL and Schaeffers use? The VSOT I have a is a brownish color with no traces of the silver/gray that LM has. Thanks


Gary: Thought you WERE a Chemist?
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demarpaint: IIRC, you make Home-brew MMO Applications, one Quart consistently through the length of the OCI on Oils, yes? Would you add Moly to said Home-Brew?

This is why i believe SOME adding will be good. I could be wrong. I am no Smart Person.
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And, yes, i like putting the best thing possible in my Oil without spending ridiculous amounts or doing Damage. Feeling like Professor X without
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