Interesting Valvoline Nextgen article

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Originally Posted By: shrooms
I'm not a tree hugger and couldn't care less about this 'environment' craze. If that 'green' stuff costs HALF than 'new' oil, I'll buy it. Otherwise.....pfffftt.


Pfffft...Yah Shrooms, I agree. Who give a [censored] about the stupid environment. Who needs this lousy earth and clean air and yada yada yada. I'm with you man, you sound like an intelligent guy

Nah, he just likes to sound 'uncool'.

Originally Posted By: HollowEyes
Originally Posted By: nooil
Sounds like they just bottle up the used oil people bring in for recycling and mix it 50-50 with new oil. Sounds like a profit maker to me.


Did you actually read the link?


It's all a conspiracy and the oil we use today was mined from Mars.

 

[Virtuoso]

This oil is GF-5 and API SN rated and there's still people thinking this stuff won't perform? Have we not learned anything from BITOG?

We don't pay half price for recycled paper or plastics.. so get used to it. Eventaully all our oils will have a % of recycled... just wait.

 

[johnnydc]

I think it's a great move on Valvolines part to be alittle greener. I never worried about the envirenment but now that I have kids I do care about it. Not a tree hugger either but we need to make things right for our future generation. Now I wish Valvoline would stop pushin' the 3000-4000 mile oil changes. Maybe on my old 77 lincoln that's ok but not for most modern cars.

 

[Trav]

You are missing my point.
Say i have 300 gallons of used motor oil here on site and i burn it in its current state i have saved more than (because of the higher BTU output) 300 gallons of fuel oil.
That is 300+ gallons that does not need to come out of the ground or refined because its already here and does not even need to be delivered by truck.

Now if this oil is taken away to be recycled it needs to be trucked,stored and refined and i have to buy 300 gallons of virgin heating oil.
One has to question how much lower is the total environmental impact of turning this into usable motor oil rather than me using it on site?
I think when the numbers are crunched there is a greater impact recycling the oil for further use.

Quote:
I could just as easily say the same thing about an extended drain oil such as Mobil 1 Extended Performance.


That seems very flawed.
If 15K were put on the oil as it is claimed in a 5qt sump then only 5 qts plus top off would be used.
Following Valvolines recommendations of 3K then 25 qts would be needed.

Mobil 1 is not using the green angle to peddle their product in the way Ashland is which IMHO is 100% totally fraudulent.
I want clean air and water like anyone else but i don't want to taken for a fool by some company using the enviromental angle as a sales tool.

IMO used motor oil has better uses that are far more cost effective and environmentally concious than refining it again for use in engines.

 

[C4Dave]

I would use it without hesitation. What I don't like is that this re-refined oil is cheaper to make, but Valvoline isn't passing along the savings. If they sold it for less than the white bottle oil, I think it would really take off.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Trav
...Rehashed oil was sold 30 yrs ago,it was worse than sketchy then and i have no reason to believe any different now.
...


If you are talking about Cook's Reconditioned Oil, that stuff was blacker than the devil's soul. I think it may have been filtered and processed to about an SAE30 weight but processing was minimal.

I wouldn't have any problem using the Valvoline NextGen but like you said, I can get unused stuff for significantly less.

 

[rhondas]

IF IT MEETS SAE and all the other markings on the bottle for your car its got to work.

 

[stubbakatt]

Originally Posted By: Trav
You are missing my point.
Say i have 300 gallons of used motor oil here on site and i burn it in its current state i have saved more than (because of the higher BTU output) 300 gallons of fuel oil.
That is 300+ gallons that does not need to come out of the ground or refined because its already here and does not even need to be delivered by truck.

Now if this oil is taken away to be recycled it needs to be trucked,stored and refined and i have to buy 300 gallons of virgin heating oil.
One has to question how much lower is the total environmental impact of turning this into usable motor oil rather than me using it on site?
I think when the numbers are crunched there is a greater impact recycling the oil for further use.


I'm not missing the point, but the issue at hand is whether recycled or rerefined motor oil has more or less environmental impact versus traditionally procured oil. I don't disagree with anything you're saying about other outlets for recycling oil, ok?

Originally Posted By: Trav
That seems very flawed.
If 15K were put on the oil as it is claimed in a 5qt sump then only 5 qts plus top off would be used.
Following Valvolines recommendations of 3K then 25 qts would be needed.


Of course it's flawed. I was just pointing out another marketing tool aimed at a small percentage of consumers, just like the Nextgen. I don't need you to "school" me on quart calculations, its irrelevant to the discussion. All major oil companies have marketing gimmicks.

Originally Posted By: Trav
IMHO is 100% totally fraudulent. I want clean air and water like anyone else but i don't want to taken for a fool by some company using the enviromental angle as a sales tool.


Please, 100% fraudulent? I don't see how Ashland is being deceptive. It's not a myth that recycled oil uses less resources to produce. Of course they're going to use the environmental angle as a sales tool. They're a business and there are many consumers who are open to so called "green" products. The final product is not in any way inferior to other conventional oils.

 

[Michael_P]

The hottest stocks that seem to perform well are the companies going green and making a big deal of it. If this oil is chemically the same and cheaper, I'll try it. There are people out there who wont use it thinking it might be dirty. The crude we drill from the ground is brown because it is dirty. Pennsylvania crude, which is the Cadillac of crudes has a significant iron (Fe for all you nerds like myself) content. I'm sure they aren't using coffee filters to make this oil good.
Back to stocks; Many market analysts who predict major downturns in the stock market predict green companies will fare much better than others. You might not be a tree hugger, but joining the bandwagon could actually make you some green.

 

[Trav]

Quote:
I don't see how Ashland is being deceptive. It's not a myth that recycled oil uses less resources to produce


I agree its not a myth to perform the actual re refining of the oil,all i am saying is the overall cost of raw product being used instead of the used oil being used in its current state offsets much of the perceived gain.

Why i say fraudulent is Ashland is sticking with a 3K OCI recommendation for this oil,at that rate the amount of new material even though it is only 50% of the finished product translates to greater virgin product usage than if a 5K OCI is used with something like Mobil Clean 5000 (just an example).

Honestly if its about going "green" then IMHO a 3K OCI is not the right path to take regardless of recycled content.
Personally i am 100% behind responsible and genuine environmentalism but I'm sorry this doesn't appear to be the case here,to me anyway it just seems like using a cause to peddle product.

 

[stubbakatt]

Originally Posted By: Trav

Personally i am 100% behind responsible and genuine environmentalism

That we can agree on.

The marketing behind Nextgen may or may not be genuine environmentalism. Even so, one cannot discredit the environmental benefits of the finished product just because the methods used to reach the consumer are disagreeable.

 

[A_Harman]

Wow, this NextGen stuff always guarantee's a lively discussion on BITOG.

 

[smithph]

Originally Posted By: stubbakatt
Originally Posted By: Trav

Personally i am 100% behind responsible and genuine environmentalism

That we can agree on.

The marketing behind Nextgen may or may not be genuine environmentalism. Even so, one cannot discredit the environmental benefits of the finished product just because the methods used to reach the consumer are disagreeable.


OK I will say it... What about protectionism? Every gallon of oil recycled in this manner, in country, equates to money that has the potential of not ending up in the hands of some dictator or regimen with an oil well in their back yard.

 

[A_Harman]

Valvoline's NextGen web site says that 3.2 billion quarts of motor oil are consumed every year in the US. Some simple math:

3.2 billion quarts = 800 million gallons.

800 million gallons = 19 million barrels of oil.

If everybody used NextGen motor oil, this would save 9.5 million barrels of oil in a year.

America consumes 15 million barrels of oil every day.

Universal use of NextGen would account for 15.2 hours of America's oil consumption. This is 0.17% of a year's oil consumption.

NOW tell me how much of an impact on our foreign oil dependency recycled motor oil is going to have.

 

[Virtuoso]

Well, it's better than doing nothing.

 

[smithph]

Interesting statistics. However I do not think 800 million gallons of finished product equals 19 million barrels of crude oil.

Like Virtuoso said, Its better than doing nothing.

This string reminds me of the starfish story.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Each to their own but for my money they can keep it!

Edit: On second though if it were $1qt i might use it in some old smoking hound.


+1

Valvoline can make all the claims they want, that's called advertising. At a $1/qt I'll be in line behind you.

 

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: Virtuoso
Well, it's better than doing nothing.


Basically it is doing nothing once you consider that most used motor oil in this country is already collected for other post-consumer uses.

 

[JeremyInMT]

Originally Posted By: Virtuoso
Well, it's better than doing nothing.

No, because if you were doing nothing, you wouldn't need any oil at all!

 

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: smithph
Interesting statistics. However I do not think 800 million gallons of finished product equals 19 million barrels of crude oil.



Just look at it from the standpoint of total quantities consumed:

42 gallons per barrel x 15 million barrels per day x 365 days per year = 230 Billion gallons of crude oil consumed per year in the US.

800 million gallons of motor oil / 230 billion gallons of crude oil = .35% of every barrel of oil is converted into motor oil. This is only what the market demands. More motor oil could be produced from crude if it were needed.