Interested in Canadian Group Buy - LC, FP, ARX and Valv. Synpower Oil Treatment?
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Perhaps for every LC bottle that crosses into .ca, an XD3 bottle must be brought into the US.
I'm going across the border this weekend. I'll be sniffing out some synpower oil treatment. No time for LC or FP...
Who wants some synpower!
Who wants some synpower!
According to my calculations, if LCD ships 20 gallons to residential address in Buffalo, NY in 5gal batches (to save some money) for me to pick up and bring into Canada, the "at border" cost will be US$32.94. That's with LCD code, FedEx "at home" shipment runs for US$4.44/gal.
Adding GST (7%) and exchange brings it to CAD$45.82/gal. The final cost at my home will be CAD$47.62. That's if I don't have to pay PST (another 8%), there should be no duty on products like these. May be I'm wrong here as well.
I guess to make the trial run make some sense economically, the stuff has to be sold for CAD$55.00. We can skip taxes on that one since I'm not registered.
If I mail it inside Canada, the cost could easily run into CAD$60-65/gal (US$46-50). That's about the same deal as shipping directly from LCD to Canada...
It is obvious that the biggest obstacle for LCD Canadian operations is delivery price. FedEx works nicely for very small quantities inside the US. If you want to talk to the bulk ground carriers, they start to show the interest if you ship tens of thousands of dollars in goods. There isn't enough interest for product in Canada so far to justify the risk of such a shipment.
So, it seems to me that such an over-the-border haul could be done only on the case-by-case basis, that's when someone has some business down in States and has to go there anyway.
I’d love to hear anyone’s opinion on that.
Adding GST (7%) and exchange brings it to CAD$45.82/gal. The final cost at my home will be CAD$47.62. That's if I don't have to pay PST (another 8%), there should be no duty on products like these. May be I'm wrong here as well.
I guess to make the trial run make some sense economically, the stuff has to be sold for CAD$55.00. We can skip taxes on that one since I'm not registered.
If I mail it inside Canada, the cost could easily run into CAD$60-65/gal (US$46-50). That's about the same deal as shipping directly from LCD to Canada...
It is obvious that the biggest obstacle for LCD Canadian operations is delivery price. FedEx works nicely for very small quantities inside the US. If you want to talk to the bulk ground carriers, they start to show the interest if you ship tens of thousands of dollars in goods. There isn't enough interest for product in Canada so far to justify the risk of such a shipment.
So, it seems to me that such an over-the-border haul could be done only on the case-by-case basis, that's when someone has some business down in States and has to go there anyway.
I’d love to hear anyone’s opinion on that.
In the case of Synpower Oil Treatment, I wonder if it would help if a lot of Canadians keep calling Valvoline Canada asking for the product to be sold in Canada.
Thanks Yugrus.
I kind of wondered if the inside-canada shipping charges would eat up the savings from duty/customs. I think you've demonstrated that it would.
It appears that until we get a Canadian distributor, we'll just have to pay through the nose to get it here. I guess we should be used to that by now!
Tall Paul...
The problem with being Canadian, is that it's often not worth it for companies to bring products into our market. Our country's population..I think...exceed the population of California. However, the hassle of bringing it into our market, dealing with international hassles and transporting items long distances for relatively small population bases makes the cost/benefit analysis pretty simple in many cases.
I'm not holding my breath...
I kind of wondered if the inside-canada shipping charges would eat up the savings from duty/customs. I think you've demonstrated that it would.
It appears that until we get a Canadian distributor, we'll just have to pay through the nose to get it here. I guess we should be used to that by now!
Tall Paul...
The problem with being Canadian, is that it's often not worth it for companies to bring products into our market. Our country's population..I think...exceed the population of California. However, the hassle of bringing it into our market, dealing with international hassles and transporting items long distances for relatively small population bases makes the cost/benefit analysis pretty simple in many cases.
I'm not holding my breath...
If....I say If ...I become a Canadian distributor for Lube Control, would there be enough of a Canadian demand for the product for me to go through the work of bringing it into Canada.
I have a friend in Michigan I could possibly send it to to pick up from.
Then bring it across and pay the PST&GST.
Hopefully they won't hassle me to much for not going through a broker, which would again add to the cost.
?????????? Well????
I have a friend in Michigan I could possibly send it to to pick up from.
Then bring it across and pay the PST&GST.
Hopefully they won't hassle me to much for not going through a broker, which would again add to the cost.
?????????? Well????
Muhahahaha...sure...next you'll be wanting our free health care as well........
Just to tease you, I'm running 0w30 in my Grand Caravan and 0w40 in my Beetle.....
Yugrus
Exactly. I recently got 2 gallons delivered and the total cost was less than $60-65 CDN per gallon including all taxes and fees. Having a distributor in Canada with access to wholesale pricing and quantities would be great, but unless you live within easy driving distance, the "bringing 10 gallons into Canada and then shipping them out one by one to people 1500 miles away" will cost more than ordering direct from LCD. You would get a bit of a break on brokerage charges, but still have to pay the taxes and the double shipping.
Don S
Having a CDN distributor would be great. I have been and will be a pretty regular 2 gallon a year customer, and I imagine there are many others on this board. Maybe Jeff (LCD) can give you some idea of CDN sales to benchmark what you would be need to assess.
Exactly. I recently got 2 gallons delivered and the total cost was less than $60-65 CDN per gallon including all taxes and fees. Having a distributor in Canada with access to wholesale pricing and quantities would be great, but unless you live within easy driving distance, the "bringing 10 gallons into Canada and then shipping them out one by one to people 1500 miles away" will cost more than ordering direct from LCD. You would get a bit of a break on brokerage charges, but still have to pay the taxes and the double shipping.
Don S
Having a CDN distributor would be great. I have been and will be a pretty regular 2 gallon a year customer, and I imagine there are many others on this board. Maybe Jeff (LCD) can give you some idea of CDN sales to benchmark what you would be need to assess.
Don, it would be better (less expensive) to talk to Con-Way (con-way.com) at 1-877-991-0002 or any other lesser-volume carrier and import the stuff through the broker. I've researched the subject for a while...
As for the public interest, to justify the cost of the imported wholesale quantity, the interest has to be created from scratch. There are different ways to do that indeed. You personally can try to do that through Amsoil seminars in Mississauga and through your clients. I used to be in your downline for a while. I am willing to participate with any help I can provide if you need it.
I'd be in....for my 4 cars and 1 motorcycle. I know jaj on this board is using LC and FP I'm sure there's plenty more.
Of course..I wouldn't do it if your pricing was not an improvement (even if it was slight) over the cost to the average person of importing it themselves.
I don't see a downside for you....you buy a little more than what people commit to, and then make sure you have it on hand when people run out.
Every year you'll pick up a few more customers on this board and through word of mouth, plus you'll have the return customers. Throw some Amsoil marketing materials in with every LC order you ship, and you get free advertising sent directly to whacko's like me who spend hours thinking about motor oil!
I don't see the downside....I'll commit to one gallon of LC and one gallon of FP for starters!
Of course..I wouldn't do it if your pricing was not an improvement (even if it was slight) over the cost to the average person of importing it themselves.
I don't see a downside for you....you buy a little more than what people commit to, and then make sure you have it on hand when people run out.
Every year you'll pick up a few more customers on this board and through word of mouth, plus you'll have the return customers. Throw some Amsoil marketing materials in with every LC order you ship, and you get free advertising sent directly to whacko's like me who spend hours thinking about motor oil!
I don't see the downside....I'll commit to one gallon of LC and one gallon of FP for starters!
Jim5,
You didn't have to go into the USA to get Techron. You can get it at the Chevron bulk/cardlock location at:
2229-23rd Street NE, Calgary
The pain is, it's hours are M-F 7:30 - 5:00.
Here's the Chevron Canada link:
http://www.chevron.ca/_scripts/Plocationsdetail.asp?a=W&h=C&ID=Calgary
OK, I don't suppose I can buy one of them Synpower bottles from from you?
There's an online auto store I found, which carries Synpower OT... problem is, they don't ship to Canada yet. According to their website, they're working on it... maybe in a couple months, runs to the USA will only be for smokes and booze.
Test_Drive
You didn't have to go into the USA to get Techron. You can get it at the Chevron bulk/cardlock location at:
2229-23rd Street NE, Calgary
The pain is, it's hours are M-F 7:30 - 5:00.
Here's the Chevron Canada link:
http://www.chevron.ca/_scripts/Plocationsdetail.asp?a=W&h=C&ID=Calgary
OK, I don't suppose I can buy one of them Synpower bottles from from you?
Test_Drive
Thanks for the tip on the Techron. I'm interested if they have the Techron fuel system cleaner and not just the fuel injector cleaner.
I also scored a gallon of MMO for 9.95, which is what we pay in canada for 1 pint of the stuff.
I'll let one bottle of the VSOT go to you, a fellow BITOG'er but I'm afraid I can't sell any more than that since I've promised two bottles each to 3 friends. That would leave me with three of my own. Lucky for me my dad's retired and likes to go across the border about once a month.
I know I could put in an order for different items, and we could add your requests as long as it all won't put him over his limit!
Send me a PM if you'd like to buy one bottle of the Synpower oil treatment. I think I paid $4.89 USD each. The good news is, that's still cheaper than wal-marts (canada) pricing on the inferior MaxLife engine treatment!
I also scored a gallon of MMO for 9.95, which is what we pay in canada for 1 pint of the stuff.
I'll let one bottle of the VSOT go to you, a fellow BITOG'er but I'm afraid I can't sell any more than that since I've promised two bottles each to 3 friends. That would leave me with three of my own. Lucky for me my dad's retired and likes to go across the border about once a month.
I know I could put in an order for different items, and we could add your requests as long as it all won't put him over his limit!
Send me a PM if you'd like to buy one bottle of the Synpower oil treatment. I think I paid $4.89 USD each. The good news is, that's still cheaper than wal-marts (canada) pricing on the inferior MaxLife engine treatment!
I just was in the USA and picked up 10 bottles of Valvoline Synpower oil treatment and 10 bottles of Chevron Techron fuel system cleaner!
Don....when are you going to get set up for LC and FP?
PS..RCY..
Our health care system doesn't seem "free" to me after our "good" government confiscates around 50% of my income.
Don....when are you going to get set up for LC and FP?
PS..RCY..
Our health care system doesn't seem "free" to me after our "good" government confiscates around 50% of my income.
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