Industrial Society and It's Future

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Contents

1 Introduction
2 The psychology of modern leftism
3 Feelings of inferiority
4 Oversocialization
5 The power process
6 Surrogate activities
7 Autonomy
8 Sources of social problems
9 Disruption of the power process in modern society
10 How some people adjust
11 The motives of scientists
12 The nature of freedom
13 Some principles of history
14 Industrial-technological society cannot be reformed
15 Restriction of freedom is unavoidable in industrial society
16 The 'bad' parts of technology cannot be separated from the 'good' parts
17 Technology is a more powerful social force than the aspiration for freedom
18 Simpler social problems have proved intractable
19 Revolution is easier than reform
20 Control of human behavior
21 Human race at a crossroads
22 Human suffering
23 The future
24 Strategy
25 Two kinds of technology
26 The danger of leftism
27 Final note
28 Notes
29 Diagram: disruption of the power process

Introduction
1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering--even in "advanced" countries.

2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it may eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: there is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.

3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later.

4. We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system. This revolution may or may not make use of violence: it may be sudden or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a few decades. We can't predict any of that. But we do outline in a very general way the measures that those who hate the industrial system should take in order to prepare the way for a revolution against that form of society. This is not to be a political revolution. Its object will be to overthrow not governments but the economic and technological basis of the present society.

5. In this article we give attention to only some of the negative developments that have grown out of the industrial-technological system. Other such developments we mention only briefly or ignore altogether. This does not mean that we regard these other developments as unimportant. For practical reasons we have to confine our discussion to areas that have received insufficient public attention or in which we have something new to say. For example, since there are well-developed environmental and wilderness movements, we have written very little about environmental degradation or the destruction of wild nature, even though we consider these to be highly important.
 
well here in usa audi junkie we shipping all mfg to china to keep air clean and make sure the average dreg cant find a job
 
It's the French aristocracy's prediction for the empowerment of the bourgeoisie meedeel cl-[censored].

Watt would they do with it anyway but be more pathetique thon they are now?
 
Read some stuff by psyches in New Scientist.

One guy was explaining that we are hard wired (through thousands of years of doing stuff) to need to do stuff....stuff that we needed to do to survive.

Light a fire from scratch. Hunt and gather. Fend off wild animals etc.

Each endeavour was direly important, and each successful outcome meant a huge internal chemical rush for achieving, but also adulation from the most important people in your universe...your immediate community and family. Plus your feeling that you are providing safety and security for these people.

Very very different to now...

His explanation for violent gangs of youths is the rolling up of all of the above tribal rewards into modern context.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow


Light a fire from scratch. Hunt and gather. Fend off wild animals etc.

His explanation for violent gangs of youths is the rolling up of all of the above tribal rewards into modern context.


Yep,they get a huge kick out of that stuff alright.
 
I didn't dig into the original post, due to the tin foil topics listed in the table of contents. The danger of leftism, etc. Sounds goofy to me. Neither the far right nor the far left is the answer, we need some common sense and accountability in government. Those two things have been sorely lacking in both parties lately.
 
This "disaster" allows many of us to enjoy a level of material comfort and ease unavailable anyone of any means only fifty years ago.
I think the root cause of the psycho-social failures is that people in general don't set and work toward goals.
If nature abhors a vacuum, the same is true of our minds.
We can either fill our heads with our own thoughts and priorities, or we can allow someone else to do it for us.
Another aspect is that people in general do not read for either information or entertainment. Lacking any general knowledge of history, mechanics (in the very broad sense of the physics and chemistry of the world around us) and current events, they are prey to any false premise presented persuasively, like the one presented by the OP.
Critical thinking is not possible in the absence of knowledge.
I am not saying that Audi Junkie is advocating the views presented therein, but one can see the "it's not your fault" appeal of the concept presented.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27

I think the root cause of the psycho-social failures is that people in general don't set and work toward goals.


It's pretty easy, even on minimum wage, to get a video game system, big screen TV, and lousy apartment. (Or camp out in your parents' basement!!) We've invented enough stuff to stay comfortable with a minimal effort.

My day job is now so automated I camp out on the WWW. I like to think what I read is technically stimulating. For that thrill in my head I fix up junky cars in my spare time.

Wife says if I played nintendo she would not have kept dating me. The real world is calling.
 
I think this is exactly why I can not stand office jobs - staring at a computer crunching numbers, and pushing paper around. I HATE IT! I feel my best when I'm outside doing stuff - splitting logs to make a fire, growing veggies in the garden etc.

I'd seriously rather live in the back country in a small log cabin, with a few firearms, some warm clothes, and live off the land.

Don't worry, I won't put bombs through the US postal service.
 
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Read some stuff by psyches in New Scientist.

One guy was explaining that we are hard wired (through thousands of years of doing stuff) to need to do stuff....stuff that we needed to do to survive.

Light a fire from scratch. Hunt and gather. Fend off wild animals etc.

Each endeavour was direly important, and each successful outcome meant a huge internal chemical rush for achieving, but also adulation from the most important people in your universe...your immediate community and family. Plus your feeling that you are providing safety and security for these people.

Very very different to now...

His explanation for violent gangs of youths is the rolling up of all of the above tribal rewards into modern context.


I think this is true. What we have now is a failure to get real feedback for the work we do. Money is not a rewards because it is basically worthless, and those in charge just keep printing more. 30,000+ years ago we would get immediate feedback or rewards for our effort. catch an animal and you eat, don't catch it and you go hungry. There was no welfare or affirmative action. Everyone got the same rewards for the same amount of work. There were no multi-billionaires who sat around and did nothing and got more, while those who worked their rear off got nothing.
 
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Wife says if I played nintendo she would not have kept dating me. The real world is calling.


A pal of mine determined that if there had been games like there were just a few years after we both got married, ..we might have never gotten married. We would have dated and had girl friends and whatnot, but there would be very little need for companionship.

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We've invented enough stuff to stay comfortable with a minimal effort.


What we've done is made ambition not pay enough to trump the default ease of sleazing. Now your hard core types would want to make the floor drop out and make dire consequences the default condition, but it never occurred to make the floor fixed in some standard of excellence ..and make it totally on the plus side from there on out as one applied themselves to their fullest potential. Under their design, no matter how ambitious or resourceful, someone is always going to be in dire consequences. Luckily we have ample dullards and buffoons to be subjected to dire consequences.
 
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What we've done is made ambition not pay enough to trump the default ease of sleazing.


I always wonder when some big diaster strikes my house... frozen pipes... septic backups... how great it must be to be a tenant on the dole, just complain to the gov't about how inhabitable the place is and magically it gets fixed.
 
I don't think it would be too much different for someone renting a $10k/month flat in Manhattan.
 
I dont get video games. Death and destruction hasnt been my bag for a long time.

Maybe you are on to something. Maybe 18-20 yr old males need some warrioring to mature properly. Get the hormone poisoning over with, so they can better deal with raising a family.
 
Originally Posted By: crinkles
that diagramme explains my life well.

the manifesto however is a bit crazy.


Well, yes, it is. What else would you expect from the Unabomber? The publication of that screed in a couple of major newspapers is what led to the arrest of the Unabomber after his brother recognized some of the deranged ideas and contacted law-enforcement authorities.

One might as well read the rantings of Charles Manson.
 
There's a saying somewhere. It has several variants:

Just because you're crazy doesn't mean you're wrong.
 
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