ILSAC GF6 Chain Wear Test

[Snagglefoot]

It must be a lot higher than 1% of those that get a fair chance. I've known too many over 200k to believe that's rare.

There's no excuse for a well maintained engine that hasn't been abused to need major repair at such low mileage.

Get your calculator out. There are over 200 million vehicles registered in the USA. 1% of 200 million is 2 million. Maybe you saw some of those?

 

[Snagglefoot]

How many of them do you actually think would have blown up had they made it to 200k miles?

You tell me. To have evidence it’s easy to get to 200,000 miles you need to have examples. 99% of all vehicles get crushed prior to making 200,000 miles. Certainly the remainder amounts to two million vehicles out of 200 million.

By the way, my Burb has 210,000 miles.

 

[350Rocket]

You tell me. To have evidence it’s easy to get to 200,000 miles you need to have examples. 99% of all vehicles get crushed prior to making 200,000 miles. Certainly the remainder amounts to two million vehicles out of 200 million.

By the way, my Burb has 210,000 miles.

So your Burb is just broken in. Nice.

 

[gregk24]

It was nice before mainstream GDI came along. Most people here in the south were running 5W-30 or some even 10W-30 in motors that were calling for 5W-20 back then. I ran 15W-40 in a 1997 Mitsubishi Galant (high mileage - second hand) and 5W-30 in a Mazda 6, also ran 5W-20 in a 3.8L KIA motor (a Sorento), and it was fine. But all of them were low compression port-injected gasoline engines.



That won't be too difficult now, will it? How about they require these oils to pass the timing chain test in 1.5 and 1.6 liter turbo engines that have a timing chain. They also have the pass the test while running on regular 86 octane gas. They should also test for LSPI the same way using those same engines. IIRC at least Hyundai, Honda and GM can provide some of those engines. VW cut corners with their crappy 1.4TSI and switched to a timing chain. God, that engine is cheaply made - it doesn't even have a real intercooler and the valve cover holds the camshafts in place.

Crappy? The 1.4 TSI has been in production in the US since 2015, and has had good reliability. The previous version of the 1.4 TSI (twin charged ea111) was equipped with a timing chain that proved problematic, so VW's move to a belt on the new ea211 was a wise one. Plenty of these engines with over 150K and doing quite well. It's quite a well designed engine in my opinion, and a joy to drive.

From what I gather from other owners the main issue with these was a run with bad fuel rails that leak fuel but that issue has since been recalled by VW and a fix is out. Other than that I haven't read of any widespread problems. Crappy? No. Come back after you have owned one for a while.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Crappy? The 1.4 TSI has been in production in the US since 2015, and has had good reliability. The previous version of the 1.4 TSI (twin charged ea111) was equipped with a timing chain that proved problematic, so VW's move to a belt on the new ea211 was a wise one. Plenty of these engines with over 150K and doing quite well. It's quite a well designed engine in my opinion, and a joy to drive.

From what I gather from other owners the main issue with these was a run with bad fuel rails that leak fuel but that issue has since been recalled by VW and a fix is out. Other than that I haven't read of any widespread problems. Crappy? No. Come back after you have owned one for a while.

The 1.4 TSI is the pinnacle of engineering ... by the accounting department.

 

[gregk24]

The 1.4 TSI is the pinnacle of engineering ... by the accounting department.

Says the one who drives a Hyundai 2.4. Okay.

 

[buster]

Valvoline claims 50% better wear protection on the SEQ X test FWIW.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Says the one who drives a Hyundai 2.4. Okay.

That VW 1.4 TSI is cheaply made, but it's sold at a premium price.

 

[gregk24]

C

That VW 1.4 TSI is cheaply made, but it's sold at a premium price.

Maybe look at some real reliability numbers. They have proven to be good engines.

 

[The Critic]

C

Maybe look at some real reliability numbers. They have proven to be good engines.

What reliability numbers are you referring to?

Where are you getting your reliability data from? Forum heresy?

 

[Deleted member 89374]

What reliability numbers are you referring to?

Where are you getting your reliability data from? Forum heresy?

 

[gregk24]

What reliability numbers are you referring to?

Where are you getting your reliability data from? Forum heresy?

Not a huge data pool, just some "high mileage" polls that include repair data as well as Fuelly data. This engine has been out since 2015 and has shown to not have any significant problem spots. Would I say they are as reliable as a naturally aspirate Toyota 4 cylinder? No. We have to give credit where it is due and after 7 years of being on the market this engine has shown itself to be a good mill.

 

[gregk24]

That is a 2.0 TSI, a completely different design than the 1.4 TSI (ea211).

 

[Deleted member 89374]

That is a 2.0 TSI, a completely different design than the 1.4 TSI (ea211).

I drive a p.o.s. Hyundai, I wouldn't know the difference, sorry...

 

[gregk24]

I drive a p.o.s. Hyundai, I wouldn't know the difference, sorry...

Sorry if I struck a nerve.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Sorry if I struck a nerve.

Nah, you didn't, I was just pulling your leg, poking a little bit of fun at you. Life would be to boring if we took everything so seriously.

The 2.4 GDI in my Hyundai has fuel dilution issues and sounds like an old N/A diesel engine when it idles. Back in 2010 when it launched in the Sonata it was cutting edge tech. Now it's just a mediocre engine that I will change back to Euro oil when I change the oil again because the last thing I want to see is a rod through the engine block.

 

[gregk24]

Nah, you didn't, I was just pulling your leg, poking a little bit of fun at you. Life would be to boring if we took everything so seriously.

The 2.4 GDI in my Hyundai has fuel dilution issues and sounds like an old N/A diesel engine when it idles. Back in 2010 when it launched in the Sonata it was cutting edge tech. Now it's just a mediocre engine that I will change back to Euro oil when I change the oil again because the last thing I want to see is a rod through the engine block.

They have a history...

Fortunately Hyundai seems to be ready and filling to replace the engine if and when the time comes. May you be one of the lucky ones.

 

[SR5]

Dr Raj Shah is a chemical engineer for Kohler. It's not like he's just some cat writing for the National Enquirer.

Yep, also check out the acknowledgment


The authors sincerely wish to thank Dr. Peter Lee from Southwest research institute for his assistance in editing the manuscript. His input was invaluable in completing this article. The authors also thank Dr. Mihir Patel from Chevron, for his initial review, and Dr. Bill Anderson from Afton Chemical for his final corrections and comments which further improved the article.