If HPL was NOT a sponsor here then how would it truly compare to other boutique oils like redline and Amsoil? What makes HPL different and special?

[kschachn]

Is this related to when one engine oil producer (Mobil, Castrol, ???) called their oil "synthetic" when it wasn't or was a blend or something, then effectively changed the definition of synthetic ? I wasn't here when that happened.... but I can imagine how triggered many got over this !!

No it was centered around TGMO and another brand called Selenia I believe.

And no major brand ever called a blend a “synthetic”. Trigger lock.

 

[I<3oil]

Someone should send a bottle to PF to test and see how it does in the shoot-out. /peep

 

[TiGeo]

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And 540Rat.

 

[MSCH]

one thing for sure is on any forum, regarding any subject there will be fanboys and naysayers.. hence 9 pages of responses and no conclusion will ever be drawn.

 

[Revving2Redline]

I like the Redline because of the bottles,higher hths, their PAO CVT Fluid and sponsor my favourite Honda/Acura teams. Essentially everything fluid wise except the coolant WaterWetter(Lubegard Keep Kool) I use.

I like the differential and engine cleaners from @High Performance Lubricants as well as their No VI oils and willingness on the fly to help members create special specific oil blends to help forum members out. Best correspondence probably from Dave though I never had a issue from Dave at Redline. Stupid high TBN but as we all know that doesn't mean forever as BG MOA had a TBN past 100 but it doesn't mean it is infinite.

Last but not least, Amsoil finally comes out with a high mileage oil! The 3.3 hths finally gets my attention from the 5w30, appears to be a mid grade product that I would probably use and mix with 5w30 SS for a blend. I like how they allow people to start up a business for the little guy though our resident Amsoil rep, @Pablo is a better rep than the ones I have dealt with here in Kansas/Missouri area. High TBN on their oils too but I don't know how that lasts on T-GDI engines with small oil sumps, fuel dilution. Would be great on older cars without DI that have 5+ at oil pan for long duration.

My three honourable mentions are ....
1) Royal Purple HMX/HPS line
2) Mobil 1 EP HM line
3) Quaker State HM Full Synthetic

 

[Drew7a]

No matter how well formulated an oil is there are things that you can not overcomecontaminants)

1.) Fuel dilution (If it applies)
2.) Soot loading (If it applies)
3.) Particle loading (More hours = more particles)

I personally like clean oil, with low contaminants.

I do see the use of specialty products, gear oil oil, EC's, hydraulic oils, and other applications.

 

[I<3oil]

And 540Rat.

Ooooo yes good call

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I know nothing about oil besides the fact that I live in Houston and that some oils I use to cook my fries.

Now, this board as any other hobby board tends to devolve into a herd mentality and cultish behavior. Eventually everyone parrots others without knowing why. AutoRX, MMO, oil catch cans in modern cars anyone?

Now that being said; I highly respect HPL and I will purchase their product once I am financially stable. But my question boils down to basically: "what makes them different from other boutique oils like Amsoil, Redline, Motul, Royal Puke or Bobs backyard moonshine blend?" And "how will they improve my vehicle performance/longevity over major brand synthetics like M1, Penzoil Ultra?"

#1 Dr. Leslie Rudnick ( HERE )

#2 HPL isn't constrained like the majors with having to pay for shelf space, general consumers, and they rely on word of mouth advertising rather than the MLM "Distributor" sales model of Amsoil.

#3 HPL customers follow long drain intervals in order to realize cost savings. They serve a different market than the price sensitive "5k-3k mile OCI" crowd.

#4 HPL customers on BITOG have shown evidence of how HPL will remove deposits left by cheaper oils run on shorter intervals. Keep in mind there's no suggestion that these deposits were causing a problem but most BITOG member by the act of actively participating on the site suffer from some level of OCD. Members as consumers like the idea of "cleanliness".


My own personal experience. I've run their Euro blend once and have a sample siting in my garage ready to head off to BS. However, since I'm only putting around 5k miles a year on my car and I'm unable to change the oil myself I don't feel that the cost of HPL is justified for my situation. If I could do my own OCI's I'd probably run HPL on a 2 yr/10k mile interval if my OCD let me.

There are plenty of great oils out there which will serve you well on a normal OCI and costs less than HPL.

 

[Hall]

And no major brand ever called a blend a “synthetic”. Trigger lock.

Had to Google it.... Castrol called one of their oils synthetic and Mobil1 called it false advertising. This happened in the late 90s so it probably pre-dates this social media site, although I'm sure it lingered.

 

[buster]

Had to Google it.... Castrol called one of their oils synthetic and Mobil1 called it false advertising. This happened in the late 90s so it probably pre-dates this social media site, although I'm sure it lingered.

I remember one guy years ago said how it went to the Supreme Court. LMAO

 

[kschachn]

Had to Google it.... Castrol called one of their oils synthetic and Mobil1 called it false advertising. This happened in the late 90s so it probably pre-dates this social media site, although I'm sure it lingered.

That isn’t what the reference was about.

 

[OVERKILL]

Is this related to when one engine oil producer (Mobil, Castrol, ???) called their oil "synthetic" when it wasn't or was a blend or something, then effectively changed the definition of synthetic ? I wasn't here when that happened.... but I can imagine how triggered many got over this !!

No, it was the obsession with insanely high VI's of finished oils; VI's over 200, like TGMO had. It was a strange time.

 

[DirectRejection]

No it was centered around TGMO and another brand called Selenia I believe.

And no major brand ever called a blend a “synthetic”. Trigger lock.

Sustina.
VI 229.
A few notches higher than TGMO or MGMO (Mazda Genuine Motor Oil.)

I remember Shannow eventually saying he would, if compelled, much rather use the just introduced Ravenol 0W16 than TGMO 0W20. The Ravenol has much more favorable composition, including much lower VI.

BITOG discussions became volcanic.

 

[Hall]

That isn’t what the reference was about.

I was just asking 'cause I didn't know what the connection was

 

[drtyler]

No, it was the obsession with insanely high VI's of finished oils; VI's over 200, like TGMO had. It was a strange time.

And the step-child of that, the "CATERHAM blend" with M1 0W-40. Good grief.

 

[DirectRejection]

And the step-child of that, the "CATERHAM blend" with M1 0W-40. Good grief.

We really need to modernize the "CATERHAM blend."

 

[kschachn]

And the step-child of that, the "CATERHAM blend" with M1 0W-40. Good grief.

Any blend ("mixture" actually) he proposed had no indication of being better than anything else.

People "blending" oils based on anecdotes, feelings, testimonials, imagination and $30 spectrographic analyses.

 

[buster]

His rings are probably gunked up and stuck at this point from all those VIIs.

 

[TiGeo]

*gulp*....what is "the Catterham blend"?

 

[DirectRejection]

Any blend ("mixture" actually) he proposed had any indication of being better than anything else.

People "blending" oils based on anecdotes, feelings, testimonials, imagination and $30 spectrographic analyses.

As a consumer, I acquiesce to you scientists. The complexities of advanced motor oil design and production call for no mixtures.