In CA you do. You need an ID to register. You have to be registered to vote. Some states require an ID when you cast your vote.
ID for buying Booze
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Being that where I live is the overflow parking for UCSB and Isla Vista, the grocery stores here are hip to all the methods kids use to buy booze. They will card everyone in the group and even keep an eye on them in the parking lot to make sure it isn't being handed over.
The answer is "law suits".
The AR-15 is constitutionally protected. Beer was unconstitutional at one time but that didn't work out so well, so they made it constitutional (actually gave the power to the states and counties) again.
Can't buy a handgun though. Why isn't it Constitutionally protected too ?
The store near us that has the best booze selection and is the cleanest and least sketchy has a sign at the cashier that says, All members of the party will be asked for ID. I went there with my wife and bought some booze. The need to scan my ID into their system. Sometimes they ask my wife for ID and sometimes they don't. She's revolting against the Man and refuses to carry ID there. Last week, after about a year of not asking, they asked her for ID. She said she didn't have any. The cashier said ok and rang up the purchase. My wife says to me why do they ask if they still go ahead with the purchase if you don't have any. I pointed that the sign merely said there would ask for ID. It didn't say that you needed to have ID or be of legal age. The cashier was just following directions.
AR15 is banned in NJ and I think Maryland, too. There may be other states where they are banned.
A private business (car rental company, hotel chain, etc) sets their own rules or policies and normally for very good reason.
On a different note, but closer to the OP, many years ago, Ohio changed the drinking age from 19 to 21. If you were 19-20 at the time, you were grandfathered in and could still buy beer. I knew a couple people in this group and 9 out of 10 stores, bars, restaurants didn't care and would deny the sale to them. They had every right to do this too. Why did they though ? They didn't want to take the risk of a misunderstanding of the law, even though it was fairly clear.
Why? The point of the OP was to question why we check IDs the way we do in the US and my answer is because if I saw this 14 year old in a bar drinking a beer I'd absolutely buy that she was 21 and belonged there - hence, that's why you have to check IDs.You should have left that part out !
The states run stings using young mystery shoppers who appear older than 21. These shoppers carry their real ID cards that confirm they are underage, but of course won't show them unless asked. The store will lose its license instantly if they make an illegal sale.
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I disagree and feel that trial attorney's have more to do with it than the penalties under the law. I can only speak to the operations I was a part of where we sent in underage minors to purchase alcohol and cigarettes. Westchester, NY penalties were not harsh in any manner. We would send in multiple purchasers once we got a bad sale to force the DA's hand. Now the NYS licensing agency tended to harshly punish the establishment but that is purely civil.
I’m sure those legitimate hardcore pesky criminals really care about those magical laws….
The constitution only applies to… Law abiding people.
For anyone else who doesn’t give a blank…. Then they have the real freedom to do what they please.
Fentanyl is sold illegally… .
Undocumented pharmacists aka drug dealers selling that do not care either..
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^This. Both from government sting operations, and also people who will get chafed at being carded when someone else wasn't. Stores will gravitate to the easier side of the issue by carding everyone.
See also: zero-tolerance policies in schools. If you take the thinking part out of the process, you don't have to answer for it.
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Fentanyl IS legal, with a prescription.
It's generally only given to those in palliative care (aka dying folks), but it is a legally prescribable substance, like all the other opioids (excepting maybe heroin). It is also regularly used in anesthesia, and I'll be receiving a small amount Monday before a surgery. Just trying to clear up a misconception, of which there are way too many about a medically viable substance. You also can't absorb it through your skin like the cop videos show (unless it's a transdermal patch). It has to be ingested.
I don't think that's the case. There is the driver license/state ID or last 4 digits of the SSN but I believe it's optional since not everyone has a DL or state ID. I don't recall it ever being required to produce it. It just has to be mailed in, and there's no requirement to produce ID at the polling place. The requirement is to sign the pollbook.
https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/pdfs/quick-guide-vrc.pdf
I do remember when there was this weird hitch in how California treated ID for purchasing alcohol. And legally, providing ID isn't strictly necessary, but that ID was produced is an affirmative defense for the seller that they made a good faith effort to verify the age of the buyer.
However, what it was was a requirement that ID have a description of the person and as such the California Alcoholic Beverage Commission issued an advisory that only state/US territory issued IDs with a physical description would be accepted. The law was changed to include passports (including foreign) and US military ID even if those didn't contain a description. It didn't include foreign driver licenses. I've actually seen someone try that and get denied.
The one weird one is the US passport card. There isn't a lot of guidance on that. I've heard from the federal government that they consider it to be a passport for identification purposes, but the state might not see it that way.
However, what it was was a requirement that ID have a description of the person and as such the California Alcoholic Beverage Commission issued an advisory that only state/US territory issued IDs with a physical description would be accepted. The law was changed to include passports (including foreign) and US military ID even if those didn't contain a description. It didn't include foreign driver licenses. I've actually seen someone try that and get denied.
1. The identification itself must meet the requirements of the Section 25660. With respect to “federal, state, county, or municipal government, or subdivision or agency thereof”, such issuing government or agency shall be located within the United States. “Armed Forces” means the United States military.
The one weird one is the US passport card. There isn't a lot of guidance on that. I've heard from the federal government that they consider it to be a passport for identification purposes, but the state might not see it that way.
Fentanyl IS legal, with a prescription.
Just trying to clear up a misconception, of which there are way too many about a medically viable substance. You also can't absorb it through your skin like the cop videos show (unless it's a transdermal patch). It has to be ingested.
I had to correct my previous post..
And I did…
I’m jacked that up… You are right.
Though it is indeed sold illegally… And manufacturered illegally… That is true.
I have never ever given Fentanyl to anyone on palliative care.. Though we did have a patient on iv fentanyl drip on my floor one time.
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