I used auto-rx for 1,500 miles ...

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Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: electrolover



Here we go. More sales pitch straight from FRANK.

The maintenance plan is just a way to keep people buying it and keep your pockets full.



So much hate for a guy who doesn't post here.

How is this any different from kreen/mmo posters? All the sales pitches from those users. Sure keeps those companies' pockets full.


Point me to a sales pitch for Kreen or MMO?


Yea I'd like to see the sales pitch myself. I'd love to see anywhere in the history of Bitog where the President/owner of Turtle Wax or Kano Labs came here plugging, or talking negatively about their competition.
 
I have been here at bitgo for a long time and I have never seen any sales pitches from the CEO of Turtle Wax (for MMO) or the CEO of Kano Labs (for Kreen). If those guys are here they are maintaining low profiles. There are members here who support MMO and/or Kreen.

Frank from Auto-RX used to be a member here a long time ago. He owned Auto-RX and most of his posts were concerning Auto-RX. For a while here it seemed like almost all of the discussions in the Oil Additives section were concerning Auto-RX. Then some things happened here and most people here seemed to move away from Auto-RX.

I was a pretty strong supporter of Auto-RX until some things happened here. I remember one time I dared to say something good about another product or products and Frank ripped into me. I did not appreciate that very much.

I mostly like Pepsi but I should be allowed to say that I drink an occasional Coke. If I said something good about Coke and Pepsi ripped into me I think I would start drinking Coke.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Otherwise, maybe give Amsoil nonsolvent engine flush a try or use Lubegard nonsolvent engine flush.

I used Lubegard engine flush with reduced dosage at 1 oz in a 8 quart sump for 250-300 miles. It cleans slowly but very well, the oil got darker at every check the oil level with dipstick, the oil was dark amber at beginning of the 1 oz flush added and was almost black when I changed the oil.
 
Originally Posted By: RetiredGuy1
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"I do not see any auto-rx application where you drain the oil after 1500 miles, the basic cleaning application calls for a 3000 mile clean and then a 3000 mile rinse. I do not see any application where you dump the oil at 1500 miles, now the Fast Track Application calls for a 1000 mile clean and the rinse phase is 1000 or 2000 miles."



You are correct. Auto-Rx removes sludge. The sludge, dirt, "goo" is suspended in the oil. I wanted to drop the oil and change the filter because this truck gets little mileage. Takes a lot of 1-3 miles rides. then 1 hour down time. Then the same several times a day - everyday.

I figured I would not wait. Now I have added only oil and a filter - "rinse phase". I have another bottle I will use it either as the maintenance plan describes or another full application.

By the way, I plan to buy more of Auto-Rx and use it on the maintenance plan for the life of the truck.


I was wondering if you did any compression tests before you used auto-rx, there are about 3 members that I found in some old threads that did before and after compression tests that do show auto-rx cleaning up ring packs. Of course these tests did show that it took quite sometime and mileage to get there ring packs cleaned, meaning there compression came back to specs.

One of the tests showed that a Maintenance Dose of auto-rx actually increased compression, so if you have not already done a compression test would you be willing to do one and continue to give updates while you either go on the Maintenance Dose or do another clean and rinse.

Here is my recommendation for the Compression tests so they can be verifiable, take your vehicle to your favorite garage or chevrolet stealership and have an ASE Certified Mechanic do the Compression Tests, and then you can post the results by copying the receipt making sure that your receipt has the compression numbers. You can then ask the service advisor or mechanic to come on here in case anyone has any questions. I am willing to bet that auto-rx might chip in for paying the bill on the compression tests, if you go this route as opposed to doing the compression test yourself, nobody will be able to question your test.

Some may argue that there are oil additives or motor oil's that clean ring packs faster than auto-rx but at least you can document how fast or slow auto-rx works in cleaning up ring packs.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: electrolover
I mean look at his post history for crying out loud

There is no doubt in my mind that this is Frank Miller or someone posting what he is writing.

His post is crazy.
Originally Posted By: Frank/Retired Guy
Drained the oil after 1,500 miles and I was amazed at the gooey, gunk and black, sometimes thick stream coming out of the crankcase...

This is a S-10 2003 V-6 with only 40,000 miles on it and all city driving. I've never had clean oil except when I bought the car - original owner.


A 2003 with 40K thats 4K a year and he owned it since new, if he changed the oil once a year with dino thats only a 4K OCI.
No way should there be any sludge in that motor. It doesn't make sense, if he neglected the engine because he didn't care about it why all of a sudden this urgent need to maintain it now?
Originally Posted By: Frank/Retired Guy
Still guys, I'm not Frank. Just interested in prolonging the life of my engine.


No, this is Frank alright pushing his snake oil or new and improved snake oil (probably contains a little MMO) or maybe he is having it made in China on the cheap, who knows.

I wont bother going into an anti ARX rant, everyone here knows my dissatisfaction with this product.
Its outrageous that FM keeps infiltrating this board trying to push his product either by himself or by using people he coaches.

It would be nice if the folks he has contacted to retract statements or postings for free product would come forward and expose these shenanigans once and for all.



Isn't it weird how they live 26 mins away from each other?
 
Sure is but i believe this is the real story.

There is a poster on the ARX site named DWeisner who posted this exact post to the letter. Frank Miller AKA Retired Guy copied and pasted it.

I copied it in case FM changes the post.
Originally Posted By: DWeisner
I used Auto-Rx for 1,500 miles ... Drained the oil after 1,500 miles and I was amazed at the gooey, gunk and black, sometimes thick stream coming out of the crankcase. I checked the oil filter out and it was obvious that it was heavier than after a normal oil change. Replaced the filer and added oil to the fill level, and after 150 miles the oil is still clean (as seen on the dipstick). This is an S-10 2003 V-6 with only 40,000 miles on it and all city driving. I've never had clean oil except when I bought the car - original owner.

Here is my point. I picked Auto-Rx because it offered a non-solvent solution. I say it works well even if you use it for short intervals - less than 3,000 miles. Now I am going on the maintenance plan. By the way, does anyone have experience with Auto-Rx Plus? (A new product?)


The guy has a website as a personal trainer that also has a huge link to ARX.
I heard (need to verify) the guy also is into promoting websites, this seems like a push to get ARX back on BITOG by the back door.

It seems the post by so called Retired Guy is in fact by a real poster but not a real poster on BITOG but ARX and FM is using the name Retired Guy to copy and paste it.

Yes Frank its unraveling right in front of your eyes!
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Sure is but i believe this is the real story.

There is a poster on the ARX site named DWeisner who posted this exact post to the letter. Frank Miller AKA Retired Guy copied and pasted it.

I copied it in case FM changes the post.
Originally Posted By: DWeisner
I used Auto-Rx for 1,500 miles ... Drained the oil after 1,500 miles and I was amazed at the gooey, gunk and black, sometimes thick stream coming out of the crankcase. I checked the oil filter out and it was obvious that it was heavier than after a normal oil change. Replaced the filer and added oil to the fill level, and after 150 miles the oil is still clean (as seen on the dipstick). This is an S-10 2003 V-6 with only 40,000 miles on it and all city driving. I've never had clean oil except when I bought the car - original owner.

Here is my point. I picked Auto-Rx because it offered a non-solvent solution. I say it works well even if you use it for short intervals - less than 3,000 miles. Now I am going on the maintenance plan. By the way, does anyone have experience with Auto-Rx Plus? (A new product?)


The guy has a website as a personal trainer that also has a huge link to ARX.
I heard (need to verify) the guy also is into promoting websites, this seems like a push to get ARX back on BITOG by the back door.

It seems the post by so called Retired Guy is in fact by a real poster but not a real poster on BITOG but ARX and FM is using the name Retired Guy to copy and paste it.

Yes Frank its unraveling right in front of your eyes!



Bahahahaha. BUSTED!
 
I always get a laugh in these threads, so many times the poster is in some way associated with the company. The Kreen and MMO bashers can't make that claim, and if they do they can't prove it like its been here. I wonder if Mr. Wiesner was given the product as well?

Bitog entertainment at its best. I'm sure there'll be more to come, or maybe a mercy lock!
 
I think times are hard over there and FM took on an investor.
Daniel Wiesner is a man who likes to wear many hats anyway so its right up his ally. He probably funded the new formula.

So we have concluded that retiredguy is in business with this product and is plugging it here for free advertising. He should be banned or billed
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Bitog entertainment at its best. I'm sure there'll be more to come, or maybe a mercy lock!

Mercy lock! Its all out in the open now, the i's are dotted and the T's crossed. Mr Miller AKA Retired Guy is clearly exposed!
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover


So we have concluded that retiredguy is in business with this product and is plugging it here for free advertising. He should be banned or billed


You're right about only one thing, but you didn't take it far enough. The kreen/mmo shills sould also be banned or billed. Being that both non sponsors are making money off this place.

And your "conclusion" which has no facts in evidence, does not hold up. You already claim this guy is Frank, and now he is someone else?

Which is it?
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: electrolover


So we have concluded that retiredguy is in business with this product and is plugging it here for free advertising. He should be banned or billed


You're right about only one thing, but you didn't take it far enough. The kreen/mmo shills sould also be banned or billed. Being that both non sponsors are making money off this place.

And your "conclusion" which has no facts in evidence, does not hold up. You already claim this guy is Frank, and now he is someone else?

Which is it?


All the evidence is there in black and white! Thats not an opinion thats a fact! Read the thread and go do your own research.
 
Here is how I see all of this. I don't know if RetiredGuy1 is Frank Miller or not. But I think Trav has produced clear evidence that RetiredGuy1 simply copied a post from another website, a post that presumably was created by another person, and then pasted that information in a post here. It seems to me that this has to be considered a major no-no and it would also be a plaglarizism of what somebody else had written (unless RetiredGuy1 here and DWeisner at the Auto-RX website are the same person).

Again, I don't know if Frank Miller had anything to do with this or not. But if he was involved I would want nothing to do with Auto-RX. Plus this DWeisner poster at Auto-RX apparently developed the Auto-RX website. It all looks pretty fishy to me. Fishy enough so you can count me out of ever buying Auto-RX again.

We already went through this kind of stuff before involving Auto-RX at this website.

I will stick to Amsoil or Lubegard nonsolvent engine flushes, MMO or Kreen or just Redline oil myself when I try to clean my engine. Thanks but no thanks Auto-RX.
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: electrolover


So we have concluded that retiredguy is in business with this product and is plugging it here for free advertising. He should be banned or billed


You're right about only one thing, but you didn't take it far enough. The kreen/mmo shills sould also be banned or billed. Being that both non sponsors are making money off this place.

And your "conclusion" which has no facts in evidence, does not hold up. You already claim this guy is Frank, and now he is someone else?

Which is it?


1. People that recommend Kreen/MMO/Rislone do not make money by recommending these products. With your logic; if I recommend Pennzoil motor oil, I should be charged a fee for it.

2. It's obvious that you're a fan of ARX, nothing wrong with that. However, it's pretty clear what's going on here. Defend the company and FM all you want, ARX lost all credibility in my eyes long ago. This sort of thing just reinforces it for me.
 
I doubt very much that people here who promote MMO or Rislone make any money off of their promotions. MMO and Rislone are readily available and low in cost compared to Auto-RX. I can buy MMO easily at my local Wal-Mart store for a few bucks.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I doubt very much that people here who promote MMO or Rislone make any money off of their promotions. MMO and Rislone are readily available and low in cost compared to Auto-RX. I can buy MMO easily at my local Wal-Mart store for a few bucks.


Perhaps you should go back to GA's post about three years ago in the paid posters for arx thread.

Both companies, both non sponsors. How much does Turtle Wax/Kano make off the backs of this board? If you're going to claim that the OP is Frank Miller, or some investor, or that arx is doing that, then you have to hold those two to the same standard.

I'll save you the trouble of looking: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1748684&page=7

"Yeah, but Frank, if you follow your posting profile, anyone would have to conclude that you were an MMO shill. No two ways about it. No regular person, without an agenda, would "promote" a given product for no good reason. Now there are surely fan boys and brand loyal types, but there's no doubt that you "promote" MMO. If you go through your posts, the largest percentage of them include "add a pint of mmo" somewhere in there. You do it in Auto-Rx threads without fail. You may leave other additive threads alone, but not an Auto-Rx thread.

What would someone conclude if you posted exactly like you do, but were someone who promoted the benefits of Auto-Rx and didn't find MMO appealing? You would be deemed a shill...by someone just like yourself ..all the while doing the exact same thing.

No offense intended, but your comment made me really do a double take. You can surely be some MMO "junkie" ..and that's fine, but there's little difference in apparent behavior than a shill."


"How do I know that Turtle Wax isn't freeloading on BITOG through you? ..or even if they were a paid sponsor that requested that they not be identified as a sponsor and were relying on "testimonials" from someone like yourself and others to promote the product?

What would be different in appearance? That's why I kinda found it funny that someone who allegedly has no dog in the fight having such opinions of others ..calling them shills. As though you're the only one who could be passionate about the product and comment upon it while being totally clean and free from outside influence or motivation.

Truth is that anyone who comments on Auto-Rx gets driven out here and you and others insist on promoting MMO ...

..for no other reason that some "passion" for the product?"
 
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