I caught two boys stealing mail

Not deaf, stupid. Or entitled. This is probably a kid whose parent has never followed through on a punishment in their lives. I saw a bunch of those when I was teaching, and I often got to meet their parents as well.
Know a lot of teachers and have my own experience-it is just getting worse and worse. I know every older generation(s) complains about the younger ones coming up, but in this case, there is definite truth to the general pattern getting worse and worse. This past school year, for whatever reason, in our area, the 9th graders were particularly special.

Mind you, this is in a rural, small town (and largely mostly conservative leaning): One student asked one teacher I know, "have you had any one close to you die?" Teacher replied yes, kid responded, "Good, I hope they died a horrible death". Another student asked a teacher I know, "Does your husband have a veiny 'member' (insert 4 letter word that begins with d)?" Course he lied to his mom about it later, and said he asked about her husband's arms, because of working out. The mom made such a stink, that admin demanded that the teacher get 5 or 6 witnesses to corroborate her account. She got more, and most did.

Many of the 9th graders failed or nearly failed most of their classes. Many are just nasty, bratty, self entitled, take little to no responsibility for their actions, low conscience, low empathy, obsessed with image. One of the teachers above has been teaching for over 2 decades and she is seeing major, major changes over time. America is severely failing our children on multiple fronts.I don't think there is one "smoking gun" reason for this, but a combination of a lot of different issues ranging from parenting, diets/food, media/entertainment, being forced to teach to a test, etc.
 
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Today it's mail. Tomorrow it will be car prowling. Then robbing liquor stores at gun point.

It today's day and age that progression may only take a couple of weeks.
Yep! That's how it starts, and with the kid mentioned here the simple fact that he refused to cooperate speaks volumes. If it was his first time I'd think he would have been scared and cooperated. If I were a gambling man I'd be willing to bet when they get older they'll be robbing houses, cars, and people.
 
Know a lot of teachers and have my own experience-it is just getting worse and worse. I know every older generation(s) complain about the younger ones coming up, but in this case, there is definite truth to the general pattern getting worse and worse. This past school year, for whatever reason, in our area, the 9th graders were particularly special.

Mind you, this is in a rural, small town: One student asked one teacher I know, "have you had any one close to you die?" Teacher replied yes, kid responded, "Good, I hope they died a horrible death". Another student asked a teacher I know, "Does your husband have a veiny 'member' (insert 4 letter word that begins with d)?" Course he lied to his mom about it later, and said he asked about her husband's arms, because of working out. The mom made such a stink, that admin demanded that the teacher get 5 or 6 witnesses to corroborate her account. She got more, and most did.

Many of the 9th graders failed or nearly failed most of their classes. Many are just nasty, bratty, self entitled, take little to no responsibility for their actions, low conscience, low empathy, obsessed with image. One of the teachers above has been teaching for over 2 decades and she is seeing major, major changes over time. America is severely failing our children on multiple fronts.I don't think there is one "smoking gun" reason for this, but a combination of a lot of different issues ranging from parenting, diets/food, media/entertainment, etc.
That's wild to read. Where is this?
 
I assume these are local kids? That is a lot of mail too, seems odd they would bother to repeat offend, as I can't think of much that comes in a mail box that would be interesting to kids?
I guess the parents or some adult in their life is putting them up to it?
 
That's wild to read. Where is this?
Eh, almost anywhere has a few kids like that in the average classroom now.... And most of them see lots of terrible behaviour like that, portrayed as funny, on whatever apps they use. It's hard to explain to my kids why the bad behaviour isn't punished severely at school, and how those kids parents can somehow think their kid shouldn't even be mildly punished.
There are lots of parents who just don't care what their kid does, so sending them home is worse for that kid, but dealing with kids like that everyday is driving lots of teachers away.

I think now that that social media is monopolized, the big players need to use all their knowledge gained on how kids minds work, for good purposes. And also have simple easy to use parental controls, instead of making it a PITA to monitor what your kid is looking at.
 
Know a lot of teachers and have my own experience-it is just getting worse and worse. I know every older generation(s) complain about the younger ones coming up, but in this case, there is definite truth to the general pattern getting worse and worse. This past school year, for whatever reason, in our area, the 9th graders were particularly special.

Mind you, this is in a rural, small town: One student asked one teacher I know, "have you had any one close to you die?" Teacher replied yes, kid responded, "Good, I hope they died a horrible death". Another student asked a teacher I know, "Does your husband have a veiny 'member' (insert 4 letter word that begins with d)?" Course he lied to his mom about it later, and said he asked about her husband's arms, because of working out. The mom made such a stink, that admin demanded that the teacher get 5 or 6 witnesses to corroborate her account. She got more, and most did.

Many of the 9th graders failed or nearly failed most of their classes. Many are just nasty, bratty, self entitled, take little to no responsibility for their actions, low conscience, low empathy, obsessed with image. One of the teachers above has been teaching for over 2 decades and she is seeing major, major changes over time. America is severely failing our children on multiple fronts.I don't think there is one "smoking gun" reason for this, but a combination of a lot of different issues ranging from parenting, diets/food, media/entertainment, etc.
Wow.

But the irony to me is this. The boomers are the ones who complain the most about the younger generation - yet there were the ones who raised this generation!

I'm a boomer and ran a tight ship, a ship so tight my parents used to think I was too hard on them. But understand, I never laid a hand, not once, on either one of them.

Grounding and taking away privileges does wonders. Our oldest son had a friend I didn't trust or like. I banned this kid from our home and banned our son from going to his house.

Well, I found out our son went to this kids house. I grounded our son for a FULL MONTH. The only time he was allowed outside for that entire MONTH was to go to school. This was a big penalty for a high school sophomore.

The result? Both my sons are respectful, law abiding, and highly successful in their careers.

And another thing - teach your kids to look people in the eye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scott
 
Know a lot of teachers and have my own experience-it is just getting worse and worse. I know every older generation(s) complains about the younger ones coming up, but in this case, there is definite truth to the general pattern getting worse and worse. This past school year, for whatever reason, in our area, the 9th graders were particularly special.

Mind you, this is in a rural, small town (and largely mostly conservative leaning): One student asked one teacher I know, "have you had any one close to you die?" Teacher replied yes, kid responded, "Good, I hope they died a horrible death". Another student asked a teacher I know, "Does your husband have a veiny 'member' (insert 4 letter word that begins with d)?" Course he lied to his mom about it later, and said he asked about her husband's arms, because of working out. The mom made such a stink, that admin demanded that the teacher get 5 or 6 witnesses to corroborate her account. She got more, and most did.

Many of the 9th graders failed or nearly failed most of their classes. Many are just nasty, bratty, self entitled, take little to no responsibility for their actions, low conscience, low empathy, obsessed with image. One of the teachers above has been teaching for over 2 decades and she is seeing major, major changes over time. America is severely failing our children on multiple fronts.I don't think there is one "smoking gun" reason for this, but a combination of a lot of different issues ranging from parenting, diets/food, media/entertainment, being forced to teach to a test, etc.
I’m retired now, but if I had to go back to work I’d apply to the Walmart tire and lube center or a garbage truck route before I would go back to a classroom.
 
Some criminal might be paying them to steal mail.

Luckily they got caught.
Hard to say, but I put it on their parents.

There's no doubt our education system needs some reforms, but the problem today (IMO) is that parents have shirked their parental responsibilities and have placed them on the teachers and school system. Yet, when the teachers or school disciplines a child the parents raise heck. Back in my youth, some kids were always getting suspended, and a few expelled. If a school did that now they'd probably be sued by the parents because of their child's "loss of educational opportunity".

Unless there's a mental illness issue, I place the blame for a child's poor behavior and lack of academic achievement solely on the parents.

Scott
 
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Hard to say, but I put it on their parents.
Unless there's a mental illness issue, I place the blame for a child's poor behavior and lack of academic achievement solely on the parents.

Scott
I wasn't the greatest kid growing up.
Looking back now, I feel my father gave up on me starting at age 10.

But when I now wake up every morning, I am now the person who I want to be.
Edit: I try to be friendly, knowledgably and helpful (to everyone).
Well, most people.
 
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