Hyundai price gouging new EV battery, or so it seems??

[Mainia]

Hyundai seems to want top $$ for a replacement battery ($60,000 CA/45,000 US. I followed a Tesla replacement and they were far less. But then again, I heard Ford puts out 2 times the amount $$$ for every Mustang EV it sells, then the Ford EV buyer pays at the dealership. The EV fiasco seems to be on top of the "Jenga Structure" and with time, it will fall. Hyundai I bet is even subsidizing this video's high price replacement battery. Plus, does it really need a new battery? Keep that car 50 ft from any car or house. It seems to have Leprosy.

It seems Hybrid are the answer. Small battery and it can still be used if the battery is going bad. Aren't most hybrid battery's up high and between the rear shock towers and above the rear suspension subframe? And very well protected I would say.



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[bullwinkle]

Insurance on EVs is going to GO THROUGH THE ROOF! That cover is barely even scratched-and the battery is ruined?? $60K for a battery for a $55K car? What a joke.

 

[2010Civic]

Is there an actual issue with the car/battery? Just keep driving it and don't worry about the scratch on the cover.

 

[Trav]

Anyone who doesnt like EV's is a hater and doesnt like progress right. LOL

 

[thescreensavers]

Battery packs do not have any dealer level repair instructions so anything that needs repairs immediately is a new battery pack.

 

[cptbarkey]

Lack of technician training, serviceability, and not enough economies of scale probably makes it an easy decision when glancing at the actuary financial charts.

 

[CarDoc66]

Thats absurd. That’s one fragile vehicle, and a circle jerk of passing the buck because nobody wants to be liable if something should happen.

 

[simple_gifts]

It seems Hybrid are the answer.

Except when they came out people said the replacement batteries were 18K but for some reason they weren't and aren't

 

[alarmguy]

Insurance on EVs is going to GO THROUGH THE ROOF! That cover is barely even scratched-and the battery is ruined?? $60K for a battery for a $55K car? What a joke.

$45,000 battery in USD but the dealer cut the price in half after the issue hit the media.
Still crazy but people don’t research what they buy. It’s this kind of media attention that will educate the public. Insurance costs alone will do it.

 

[Trav]

That battery cover looks like it has only minor scratches, if that is enough to total one of these things there will be lots of totalled vehicles around here.

 

[JonnyRingvald]

I'd have to be paid $60K and be given the vehicle for free to be see in that turd! Companies will claim the unique designs of EVs is mainly aerodynamics, but I call bull on that as it's definitely more to draw attention than any other solid factor.

 

[proveitwithdata]

The same thing happened some time ago, and rich rebuilds and electrified garage saved the day.

Before the outrage isnt this akin to dealership sop where instead of fixing a broken wire in a wire harness, they push for replacement of entire harness for an ICE?

 

[Torrid]

The problem isn't that it is an EV, but that it is a Hyundai. Try to conceal your EV rage, guys. Your bias is showing.

 

[Kiwi_ME]

Is there an actual issue with the car/battery? Just keep driving it and don't worry about the scratch on the cover.

It's an overreaction from the dealer likely because Hyundai did not document service limits for damage.. There's a protective fibre-type sheet, then an aluminum cooling panel stamped to form channels, then the pack underside itself. The cells are installed in further aluminium housings to form modules. Munro's awesome young engineers break it down in this video.
Bring on an aftermarket battery refurbishment industry, it's ripe for the taking.

 

[RhondaHonda]

As an EV owner I think it’s similar to a $20,000 fuel system on a diesel because a mouse farted near the fuel tank. Nobody wants to do it and it’s a way for insurance to total and move on.

 

[Trav]

The problem isn't that it is an EV, but that it is a Hyundai. Try to conceal your EV rage, guys. Your bias is showing.

No so much EV rage, these things are not living up to even close to the hype and they have only been around a few years.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...r-insurer-may-have-junk-whole-car-2023-03-20/

https://www.instituteforenergyresea...or-battery-damage-driving-up-insurance-costs/

https://www.thedrive.com/news/lots-of-crashed-evs-with-minor-battery-damage-are-being-totaled

https://jalopnik.com/ev-battery-damage-minor-crash-car-totaled-recycling-1850243294

 

[Torrid]

No so much EV rage, these things are not living up to even close to the hype and they have only been around a few years.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...r-insurer-may-have-junk-whole-car-2023-03-20/

https://www.instituteforenergyresea...or-battery-damage-driving-up-insurance-costs/

https://www.thedrive.com/news/lots-of-crashed-evs-with-minor-battery-damage-are-being-totaled

https://jalopnik.com/ev-battery-damage-minor-crash-car-totaled-recycling-1850243294

You act as if minor fender benders don’t occasionally total ICE vehicles. This stuff isn’t the big news it’s been twisted into. The difference here with the Hyundai is that it was an overreaction. For me I want my small cars to total in an accident. It’s going to get hit by something big, heavy, and stupid and I want it replaced when that happens. I don’t trust unibody repairs and there’s nothing body on frame that isn’t massive and more vehicle than I want to pay to buy or fuel.

The battery is structural. It was inevitable with the unibody construction of new cars. The big push with modern unibodies is that it’s better at absorbing force in an accident because it’s designed to strategically deform. Trucks managed to stay away from this because of what they needed to be able to tow. They’re just horribly inefficient as commuters and stupidly huge to deal with on a regular basis.

 

[Trav]

You act as if minor fender benders don’t occasionally total ICE vehicles. This stuff isn’t the big news it’s been twisted into. The difference here with the Hyundai is that it was an overreaction. For me I want my small cars to total in an accident. It’s going to get hit by something big, heavy, and stupid and I want it replaced when that happens. I don’t trust unibody repairs and there’s nothing body on frame that isn’t massive and more vehicle than I want to pay to buy or fuel.

The battery is structural. It was inevitable with the unibody construction of new cars. The big push with modern unibodies is that it’s better at absorbing force in an accident because it’s designed to strategically deform. Trucks managed to stay away from this because of what they needed to be able to tow. They’re just horribly inefficient as commuters and stupidly huge to deal with on a regular basis.

Those were nothing more than scratches on that battery cover. The battery being a structural member is beyond asinine, it is only for the benefit of cheaper assembly and as JK likes to tout increased profit margin. Do you have any idea how many unibody cars have dings, dents and scratches underneath? I can tell you for a fact a good % of them do and all without being totaled except for a very few with under body carbon fibre structural elements. Unibody construction has been around since 1922 and adopted en masse in the 50's by Citroen and early 60's Chrysler (some of the big tail fin cars were unibody).

The skateboard chassis that is common with ev's have more in common with a body on frame than a monocoque chassis only with a lot less strength, there is no such thing as a rolling chassis with a unibody. Having the battery as a structural member is a very bad idea.

 

[BillyHW]

Insurance on EVs is going to GO THROUGH THE ROOF! That cover is barely even scratched-and the battery is ruined?? $60K for a battery for a $55K car? What a joke.

Governments will pass laws that insurance companies aren't allowed to "discriminate" against EV owners and that they have to charge them the same amount of insurance as for equivalent ICE cars and then all the extra costs of EV ownership will be socialized upon ICE owners.

 

[Torrid]

Those were nothing more than scratches on that battery cover. The battery being a structural member is beyond asinine, it is only for the benefit of cheaper assembly and as JK likes to tout increased profit margin. Do you have any idea how many unibody cars have dings, dents and scratches underneath? I can tell you for a fact a good % of them do and all without being totaled except for a very few with under body carbon fibre structural elements. Unibody construction has been around since 1922 and adopted en masse in the 50's by Citroen and early 60's Chrysler (some of the big tail fin cars were unibody).

The skateboard chassis that is common with ev's have more in common with a body on frame than a monocoque chassis only with a lot less strength, there is no such thing as a rolling chassis with a unibody. Having the battery as a structural member is a very bad idea.

That's what I just said. The Hyundai was scratches and an overreaction from the dealer. Dings and scratches are one thing. I'm talking about actual accidents that bend the crash structure. Now if you took an actual hard hit to the battery pan running over something, that would be different.

The battery by default is going to have to be structural due to its size. There has to be crumple zone in the vehicle and most EVs it takes up the complete floor side to side and for the full area of the occupants. It bolts to the structural part of the car. Even if you super reinforced the car before adding the battery, all it would do is make the car more rigid and the battery would still end up being structural.

What you're suggesting for EVs to make it like an actual body on frame vehicle with current ones available would only really cover the Lightning. It's not exactly an efficient design anyway and an actual heavier body on frame design wouldn't benefit range in small cars anyway.