Hyundai Kia Suspected Counterfeit 26300-35505?

[haggler]

I had to sell my miata and I bought a used 2018 kia optima. Obviously in BITOG fashion, I need to change the oil asap, probably has dino in it. I read about the issues with this car and filters, so I wanted to get an OEM one although supertech 9688 looked good. I order from Amazon a 6 pack from seller Metro24wholesale. I called him and asked if they were genuine, and he said ya. 6 filters were listed for 23.40. I should've known this was too good to be true.

First red flag was there is no hologram. Looking inside, it did have the "Hyundai" poppet where the bypass. The major red flag was that the Blue can had "MANN HUMMEL" printed on the filter despite this being an 05 part number. The part number ending in 04 was the MANN HUMMEL product. Also, looking inside the filter, there was glue everywhere around the pressure relief valve, just looked horrible. The filter did feel heavy like the OEM I held at walmart. I found this video of the same exact filter here: the title translated in Russia is "fake filter." On top of everything, the 6 washers they sent was the wrong size. This 6 pack is going back. Just a heads up, im gonna go to the dealer and just buy one for 6.50.

 

[Jetronic]

They look genuine to me... Not sure about the red ADB valve though, but rest is spot on. I'd say yours looks more genuine than the russian filter as the printing looks more faded

 

[Oillover]

Sounds like you got what you paid for.

 

[haggler]

They look genuine to me... Not sure about the red ADB valve though, but rest is spot on. I'd say yours looks more genuine than the russian filter as the printing looks more faded

no, the print on mine is very faded, maybe the flash makes it look darker.. It also has no H on the gasket and no hologram.
looks nothing like this: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...eit-hyunda-filters.320208/page-2#post-5302764

 

[Ignatius]

All the reporting I have seen on potentially fake OEM Hyundai oil filters only encourages me to buy Fram 3593a or 9688 series oil filters.

 

[haggler]

Sounds like you got what you paid for.

Well I was hoping to support a "veteran owned" business on amazon. Maybe the wholesaler didnt know they were fake.

 

[Jetronic]

no, the print on mine is very faded, maybe the flash makes it look darker.. It also has no H on the gasket and no hologram.
looks nothing like this: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...eit-hyunda-filters.320208/page-2#post-5302764

The ones we use at the dealership don't have holograms either, and faded paint.... They come directly from the Hyundai importer.

I'll have a closer look for the Hyundai logo on the seal.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Maybe try contacting MANN+HUMMEL and see if they can verify if these are real or not.

 

[haggler]

I just called MANN+HUMMEL, which is apparently Wix customer service in the USA. She did say the 05 part was one they made... but I opened another one and the threads look horrible... this is going back regardless. The last thing I need is a piece of thread going back into the engine.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I just called MANN+HUMMEL, which is apparently Wix customer service in the USA. She did say the 05 part was one they made... but I opened another one and the threads look horrible... this is going back regardless. The last thing I need is a piece of thread going back into the engine.

I'd just clean it up well and see if any metal can be removed. A little missing thread tip material isn't going to hurt anything as long as any possible loose metal has been cleaned up well. Once you do that nothing is going to come loose from the threads. I always clean up every new oil filter I buy before using it - they all can stand some clean-up (regardless of brand) from what I've seen.

 

[measureman]

You went through all that and the OEM filter at the dealer was only $6.50?

 

[PimTac]

Well I was hoping to support a "veteran owned" business on amazon. Maybe the wholesaler didnt know they were fake.

I take everything I see or read on Amazon with tons of

 

[rob1715]

Kia 2019 Sorento. I go to the dealer or Walmart has OEM filters for the same price.

 

[haggler]

You went through all that and the OEM filter at the dealer was only $6.50?

All I did was click order and call MANN when they came per @ZeeOSix recommendation. The dealer wanted 6.50 plus 1.10 for a washer. These came with one. The owner of the business responded and said they come from directly from Kia, so maybe they are not fake but they definitely dont have the logo on the gasket or the hologram. They also seem like poor quality in general for OEM, with glue all over the inside of the filter and breaks on the threads. He seemed like a nice guy on the phone as well. But he also sent me the wrong washers, so I am sending them back. I'm gonna go buy a fram or supertech.

 

[CarLuver]

having just went to the hyundai dealer and bought a filter yesterday , looking at the pix its exactly the same. 05 mann hummel korea

 

[tundraotto]

All I did was click order and call MANN when they came per @ZeeOSix recommendation. The dealer wanted 6.50 plus 1.10 for a washer. These came with one. The owner of the business responded and said they come from directly from Kia, so maybe they are not fake but they definitely dont have the logo on the gasket or the hologram. They also seem like poor quality in general for OEM, with glue all over the inside of the filter and breaks on the threads. He seemed like a nice guy on the phone as well. But he also sent me the wrong washers, so I am sending them back. I'm gonna go buy a fram or supertech.

Just a heads up....oftentimes the OEM filters are not great...sometimes....but not always.
Buy the filter - not the brand - if your filter shopping.....

 

[blupupher]

All I did was click order and call MANN when they came per @ZeeOSix recommendation. The dealer wanted 6.50 plus 1.10 for a washer. These came with one. The owner of the business responded and said they come from directly from Kia, so maybe they are not fake but they definitely dont have the logo on the gasket or the hologram. They also seem like poor quality in general for OEM, with glue all over the inside of the filter and breaks on the threads. He seemed like a nice guy on the phone as well. But he also sent me the wrong washers, so I am sending them back. I'm gonna go buy a fram or supertech.

You need to find a new dealer. Every Hyundai and Kia dealer I have bought filters from gives you a washer for free, I have had to tell them to not give me one, but they still do since they are already taped to the box.

I plan on using the Supertech 9688 filters for all my Hyundai/Kia spin on needs from now on. They seem to be a very good filter, especially for the price.

 

[Ignatius]

I'm gonna go buy a fram or supertech.

I would skip Supertech, I am not confident that their filter media is strong enough to withstand the intense pressure spikes these engines can produce without tearing apart. Fram is definitely proven, even the Orange Can of Delight up to 7500 miles.

Just a heads up....oftentimes the OEM filters are not great...sometimes....but not always.
Buy the filter - not the brand - if your filter shopping.....

My problem with OEM filters is they are designed and produced at the lowest cost possible while meeting bare minimum performance specs set by the auto manufacturer. I will give Hyundai credit because they built their OEM filter like a brick house, others perhaps not so much.

You need to find a new dealer. Every Hyundai and Kia dealer I have bought filters from gives you a washer for free, I have had to tell them to not give me one, but they still do since they are already taped to the box.

Lucky you, I always get charged for the crush washer at my local Hyundai dealership

 

[92saturnsl2]

I would be shocked if that were a counterfeit filter, given the OEM stamp on the bypass valve.

While I don't doubt that knockoff filters do exist, this is not such a lucrative market/product that somebody is going to create custom tooling to make the filter 100% exact. It's inside the filter for crying out loud; they know 99% of folks aren't looking inside there, the general population are not BITOGers. If there were such a counterfeiter, their goal is to take a cheap mass produced filter and make it look like an OEM filter as cheaply as possible.

That's my take on it, not everyone will agree. But I I'd bet dollars to donuts that's a geniune OEM filter you've got there.

 

[haggler]

I went back to walmart and took a look at the "04" trailing part number MANN filter. I don't think these from Amazon are fake after all, but the quality isnt what I'm used to for OEM. There glue all over the inside of the filter looks sloppy and 1 of the 6 had broken threads i posted in the previous picture. I like being able to inspect the filter prior to purchase, maybe I'm just OCD. About the only thing I really liked about the OEM filter was the heavy can and plastic wrapper on the bottom.

I picked up an ST9688 and it looks much better. I think the nitrile will be fine for 5k OCI. I was tempted to go Fram orange can but didnt look like like its worth nearly double. Supertech is ACdelco filters anyway, the work well on the equinox.