Hydrogen Neue Klasse EV?

Or how little hydrogen the Earth has mostly bonded to other elements very high up in the atmosphere. About the only way hydrogen power would be feasible is if we lived on Jupiter where a large percentage of the atmosphere is free standing hydrogen. You can't defeat the laws of physics.
Exactly. It takes a lot of power to separate hydrogen. Defeats the point of using it as a power source.
 
Exactly. It takes a lot of power to separate hydrogen. Defeats the point of using it as a power source.
Sometimes we have to step out of the box. The earth used to be flat, going to the moon would be impossible.
One thing for sure, right now at this point, nothing can replace gasoline vehicles. This is simply critical thinking. We do not produce enough energy nor the infrastructure to supply 300 million vehicles other than gasoline at the moment.

Look at latest news and this is just a pinhead of things taking place, not covered here is nuclear production of H2 and a range of other methods. To think that in 50 years lithium battery cars will be the method I think short sighted... sadly I wont be around to know so you wont be able to prove me wrong *LOL*
https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/wh...r&utm_content=OT_Non-Brand_Hydrogen&gclsrc=ds

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/3-nuclear-power-plants-gearing-clean-hydrogen-production

Im certainly not saying that H2 is the future as much as I am saying we need to step out of the box in our thinking. If you really think about it, the only ones in this world who create something are those 1 in 10 million or more. I think it's more far fetched to think the electric grid is going to supply the energy for 300 million vehicles... and then just the national security at stake in relying on a sole concentrated power source as power plants.
I wish I would be alive in 50 years but even then, those people in 50 years will be looking to advance to something else.
 
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Sometimes we have to step out of the box. The earth used to be flat, going to the moon would be impossible.
One thing for sure, right now at this point, nothing can replace gasoline vehicles. This is simply critical thinking. We do not produce enough energy nor the infrastructure to supply 300 million vehicles other than gasoline at the moment.

Look at latest news and this is just a pinhead of things taking place, not covered here is nuclear production of H2 and a range of other methods. To think that in 50 years lithium battery cars will be the method I think short sighted... sadly I wont be around to know so you wont be able to prove me wrong *LOL*
https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/wh...r&utm_content=OT_Non-Brand_Hydrogen&gclsrc=ds

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/3-nuclear-power-plants-gearing-clean-hydrogen-production

Im certainly not saying that H2 is the future as much as I am saying we need to step out of the box in our thinking. If you really think about it, the only ones in this world who create something are those 1 in 10 million or more. I think it's more far fetched to think the electric grid is going to supply the energy for 300 million vehicles... and then just the national security at stake in relying on a sole concentrated power source as power plants.
I wish I would be alive in 50 years but even then, those people in 50 years will be looking to advance to something else.
Something could change the efficiency of it in the future for sure, but at this point it uses just as much energy to separate it as we get out of it as a fuel and it’s extremely expensive. If we pushed it and you were already concerned about the EV subsidies, this would have to be exponentially more costly per vehicle in subsidies just to make it feasible and not have it cost 4x an ICE vehicle in fuel.

Does it work? Sure. I think it’s cool too. I’d be all over it if it made sense. It feels even more space age than a giant battery under the floor.
 
Toyota gives you $15,000 worth of free hydrogen fuel with a purchase of a car.
Since I’m driving, I can’t look up and see if the federal taxpayer supplied $7500 tax credit applies in this instance, but I suspect it does
However, the only practical place for hydrogen is southern California, unless you just happen to live by one of the very very few stations elsewhere if they are any
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/mirai
 
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Toyota gives you $15,000 worth of free hydrogen fuel with a purchase of a car.
Since I’m driving, I can’t look up and see if the federal taxpayer supplied $7500 tax credit applies in this instance, but I suspect it does
However, the only practical place for hydrogen is southern California, unless you just happen to live by one of the very very few stations elsewhere if they are any
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/mirai
Talk about being land locked. I’m crazy enough to try it though if I was in the right area. The closest station last time I looked was 1600 miles away in Canada.
 
Talk about being land locked. I’m crazy enough to try it though if I was in the right area. The closest station last time I looked was 1600 miles away in Canada.
Yeah, and Shell recently closed all of theirs in California. There's no infrastructure, and it's not expanding, but actually contracting at this point.
 
Yeah, and Shell recently closed all of theirs in California. There's no infrastructure, and it's not expanding, but actually contracting at this point.
I think its time has gone for now and likely won't return without a massive breakthrough. The only thing that's going to improve EVs is the way power is contained. Unfortunately I don't see it being hydrogen. I'm sure it will at least for the foreseeable future be a traditional battery and we'll just see upgrades in battery materials and assembly.
 
Talk about being land locked. I’m crazy enough to try it though if I was in the right area. The closest station last time I looked was 1600 miles away in Canada.
Agree, I’m certainly not saying it is feasible at this point in time. I am saying sooner or later we will need to look at other technologies. What we think is impossible one day might be possible the next. Made possible by the next genius to make it possible. 🫤

There are many closed minds, but you have to have an open mind to move forward.
The solution is to not say can’t be done and turn it into something that can be done.

(not to change the subject because I am not taking the subject as serious as some think, yet I’m not getting any ideas from those people about other possible technologies but here’s something to think about for the naysayers, from the moment, the very first moment the first shovel to hit the ground to the actual production of a lithium battery installed in a car and keep it charged for the life of that car. I have never seen any production cost yet I see estimates all the time for H2.
Another undeniable fact, as far as commercial businesses two small examples Amazon, and Walmart bringing in H2 technology and currently using it for certain purposes

Another example is our companies like BMW and Toyota just having fun playing around with this idea? no they’re exploring possibilities like all car, manufactures explore technologies and determine if they move forward or not

Nothing is invented without a “massive breakthrough”
 
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Something could change the efficiency of it in the future for sure, but at this point it uses just as much energy to separate it as we get out of it as a fuel and it’s extremely expensive. If we pushed it and you were already concerned about the EV subsidies, this would have to be exponentially more costly per vehicle in subsidies just to make it feasible and not have it cost 4x an ICE vehicle in fuel.

Does it work? Sure. I think it’s cool too. I’d be all over it if it made sense. It feels even more space age than a giant battery under the floor
Hydrogen fuel cycle efficiency is already being slaughtered by batteries, even lead acid batteries....
 
(not to change the subject because I am not taking the subject as serious as some think, yet I’m not getting any ideas from those people about other possible technologies but here’s something to think about for the naysayers, from the moment, the very first moment the first shovel to hit the ground to the actual production of a lithium battery installed in a car and keep it charged for the life of that car. I have never seen any production cost yet I see estimates all the time for H2.
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Here's the cell cost, over time. You of course still need to assemble these into packs, so the cell is not the whole price, and, as the cell price gets lower (and will eventually bottom out), the primary cost of the battery pack as a whole just becomes dominated by other factors/components like interconnects, fabrication...etc.

But if we assume this figure itself is accurate for the GM Ultium cells, the 200kWh pack is $27,800 for the batteries.
 
Something could change the efficiency of it in the future for sure, but at this point it uses just as much energy to separate it as we get out of it as a fuel and it’s extremely expensive. If we pushed it and you were already concerned about the EV subsidies, this would have to be exponentially more costly per vehicle in subsidies just to make it feasible and not have it cost 4x an ICE vehicle in fuel.

Does it work? Sure. I think it’s cool too. I’d be all over it if it made sense. It feels even more space age than a giant battery under the floor.
Honeslty I think H2 qualifies for the tax break but since it's not a possibility I have not looked into it.
Tax break is for EVs and H2 is an EV
 
Just remember, at one time in the history of mankind that the world was square and not round.
If you research the subject extensively, there are possibilities and some new generation nuclear plants even make it more possible
If you research the subject extensively, there just isn’t a good and efficient path to the end-to-end creation, storage, transfer, and use.

I spent over ten years developing fuel cell generators. Tech has progressed, but the challenges with hydrogen still have baggage. More so than EV or whatnot. These vehicles that are leased - not sold, kept new, treated carefully, and never go too far… so having umpteen new models doesn’t mean a lot imo.

I’d argue that an NG PHEV would be a far greener solution than hydrogen.
 
so since it hasn't been brought up ,I would add hydrogen embrittlement to the list of issues and that it apparently seeps through containment at a rate of 2% every 30 days if under pressure.
this is not a 'fuel' i would want under my car.
 
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