HTHS, is it measured in cP or cSt?

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Quick refresher.. I get my cP and cSt values of measurement crossed. I know HTHS is measured in one of the two...

And yes, I did also have a specific question. It is in regards to an oil with a cP or cSt (hence introduction to this thread) of 2.9. Would that be the thinnest possible 30 "weight" or alternately called 30 "grade" oil?

This is indirectly brought on by my ponderance of a 0W-20 or 5W-20 motor oil in the present Vortec 4200 I drive. It's had heavier than 5w30 since it left the dealer.. I keep hearing how "flow" of oil maintains max lubricity, as long as minimum oil pressure is maintained. Thinner oils usually also help any tick or slight knock noises on start-up.. GM'S "piston slap" we hear about. Start-up lubricity etc. I turn the key and go and I live on a downhill incline, slight, yes, but I can literally not touch the gas and be in 2nd gear not touching the gas by the end of the block ready to make the right hand turn. Turn the key and go is exactly that, on any kind of normal weather day, from cold overnight start... or winter, if warmed up.

My ponderances and information here have me with a specific oil in mind, likely to be achieved with a secreted oil change, since mechanic MAY BE using NAPA 5w30 Conventional though I have no proof.. He doesn't believe in synthetics for old cars. This the 10W-40 dude vs. The cap....... anyway. The information here will help me decide what to do.

I already know the Honda is probably going to get same oil, since the E-VTEC is actually activated by oil pressure, so the thinnest 30 is desired there as well.. Royal Purple is disqualified on these two cars, I believe it to be a great oil, but too thin. Quiet though. But not for these apps.

Blazer will be anything from a 0w30 in winter to even all year round if it makes my full hot oil pressure look good. Not worried about that one yet. If it works good in winter then it works good all year...

Also this engine has a 7 - quart sump.
 
If you've looked at the data sheets for the oils, the answer is there...one's in Cst, and the other Cp...

KV is Cst, HTHS, MRV, and CCP are Cp.

Pay no heed to the "flow equals lubrication" drivel that's in 101 and others, it's not.
 
Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio

likely to be achieved with a secreted oil change,


Are you going to sneak under like a ninja?
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio

likely to be achieved with a secreted oil change,


Are you going to sneak under like a ninja?


Sunday morning, like on the last 5-part video OC of intro to 03 Envoy XL, years later... Ninja, yup!
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I also feel like our GMC Envoy XL is kind of sort of the only one of the few in the country (?) that has had next to zero issues.
 
What do you think is particularly wrong about the mechanic's choice of NAPA 5w30 in this application? It is the correct grade so I fail to see the issue....
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Instead of ninja-changing your mom's oil, shouldn't you be working on your own non-running vehicles?
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

Instead of ninja-changing your mom's oil, shouldn't you be working on your own non-running vehicles?


Telling people on a forum to go do this or that is beyond crazy. Don't pretend to order people around. Back seat driver meet internet troll driver.
 
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

Instead of ninja-changing your mom's oil, shouldn't you be working on your own non-running vehicles?


Telling people on a forum to go do this or that is beyond crazy. Don't pretend to order people around. Back seat driver meet internet troll driver.


You are obviously unfamiliar with the OP. I suggest checking out a few of his other threads, and then threads by his previous aliases, which go back many, MANY years, before you are so quick to cast judgement on what I've advised.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

Instead of ninja-changing your mom's oil, shouldn't you be working on your own non-running vehicles?


Telling people on a forum to go do this or that is beyond crazy. Don't pretend to order people around. Back seat driver meet internet troll driver.


You are obviously unfamiliar with the OP. I suggest checking out a few of his other threads, and then threads by his previous aliases, which go back many, MANY years, before you are so quick to cast judgement on what I've advised.


OVERKILL, I can only think the previous poster you responded to was joking.

As to your questions.. I am rather obsessed with using the "thinnest possible passable oil." The engine definitely needs a tune-up (???) and I can't help but feel that good oil, after the P042 scare (which seems to not come on anymore since 02 sensor, has a few times but doesn't after clearing..) ..will help.

Its not being certain it's NAPA 5w30 that drives me too.. He lies, I dont, no matter how "dumb."
 
Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio
As to my cars: I am on cleaning bolt holes..


Did you get the thread chase? And do you have access to a compressor? That air in a can, as your buddy noted, won't cut it.
 
Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Telling people on a forum to go do this or that is beyond crazy. Don't pretend to order people around. Back seat driver meet internet troll driver.
You are obviously unfamiliar with the OP. I suggest checking out a few of his other threads, and then threads by his previous aliases, which go back many, MANY years, before you are so quick to cast judgement on what I've advised.
OVERKILL, I can only think the previous poster you responded to was joking.

He wasn't joking !
 
Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio

OVERKILL, I can only think the previous poster you responded to was joking.


He wasn't, he just doesn't know you Joseph
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Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio
As to your questions.. I am rather obsessed with using the "thinnest possible passable oil."


Don't be. Whatever 5w30 is on sale will be more than adequate. The thing has a ton of miles on it using the incorrect grade of oil anyways, so anything done going forward isn't going to change that. Don't waste money on your mom's SUV, and it would be a waste, it isn't going to have an effect on longevity whether you use Pennzoil Conventional or AFE 0w-30.

Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio
The engine definitely needs a tune-up (???) and I can't help but feel that good oil, after the P042 scare (which seems to not come on anymore since 02 sensor, has a few times but doesn't after clearing..) ..will help.


The oil won't help. When is the last time the plugs were changed? Air filter? These are "tune-up" items, oil is just maintenance.

Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio
Its not being certain it's NAPA 5w30 that drives me too.. He lies, I dont, no matter how "dumb."


Well that is a concern. But as I said, don't obsess about what to run in it. Just pick up something in the proper grade and put it in with a good filter. And NO WIZARDS!!! It just needs proper maintenance. Nothing more.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
You are obviously unfamiliar with the OP.

Incidentally, the lack of familiarity might be a little far fetched.


ISWYDT
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: InfmousCornholio

likely to be achieved with a secreted oil change,


Are you going to sneak under like a ninja?


Not secret oil change, but secreted oil change. Joseph is going to regurgitate the oil from his mouth straight into the fill hole. Imagine that image for a while!
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It is weird, to me.

Low temps are measured in poise

Then kinematic viscosity at 100 Centigrade in Stokes.

Then back to Poise for the 150 Centigrade HTHS.


Thanks for bringing this to light. I just always assumedthe 9.3 - 12.5 30wt was at 2.9 when it got hotter (in cSt). The numbers worked for me, know I need to find a conversion chart to find out what 10 centistokes (30wt) is in centipoise.


Kind of like when in aircraft.....you may need to translate knots per pound of fuel versus miles per gallon.
 
That is one reason to dislike these oddball units. Sticking with SI derived units may not always be practical, but at least it keeps this stuff straight in your head.

Kinematic viscosity=shear viscosity/density. Shear viscosity is measured in kg/m/s whereas kinematic viscosity is measured in m^2/s. But, check my work since I'm having an off day.
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
You are obviously unfamiliar with the OP.

Incidentally, the lack of familiarity might be a little far fetched.


Well played sir
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Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
It is weird, to me.

Low temps are measured in poise

Then kinematic viscosity at 100 Centigrade in Stokes.

Then back to Poise for the 150 Centigrade HTHS.


Thanks for bringing this to light. I just always assumedthe 9.3 - 12.5 30wt was at 2.9 when it got hotter (in cSt). The numbers worked for me, know I need to find a conversion chart to find out what 10 centistokes (30wt) is in centipoise.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3742278/Cp_and_Cst_-_the_confusion_bet

Cp and Cst for water are equal when the relative density of water is "1"...oil's not 1, and density is very dependent on temperature, so you need a density calculator, like

http://planetcalc.com/2834/
 
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