HPL SAE 40 PCMO

[Panda87]

Lost a fantastic 5 year ME to PowerPoint - he was so good with them that Stevie Wonder could see the right decision …
Now stuck in the planning group doing PP packs all day …

Has your team looked at Atlassian’s Confluence? Could be a way to get a better data flow and reduce archaic PowerPoint burden.

 

[Panda87]

@Hohn Your work here has me feeling a newfound appreciation for my HPL PCMO 5w-40! It seems very close (aside from the obvious use of VI) to the 15w-40 formula that you loved in use so much. I’ve found the same smoothness and overall positive experience switching to that particular oil. Had Valvoline Restore and Protect come out before I changed my Ford 5.4 3v over to HPL’s PCMO 5w-40, I’d have done the clean out first, because this engine’s cleanliness state when I got it was horrendous. Thanks for all the info here sir, much appreciated!

 

[4wd]

Has your team looked at Atlassian’s Confluence? Could be a way to get a better data flow and reduce archaic PowerPoint burden.

My team uses it very little - a VP took this engineer - he will get enough and say so at appraisal time in April …
Hope he gets promoted for the torture

 

[Hohn]

My team uses it very little - a VP took this engineer - he will get enough and say so at appraisal time in April …
Hope he gets promoted for the torture

You wouldn't believe the insane layers of powerpoint animations I saw at the morning commander's intel brief a CENTCOM during the 2005-2006 period. 40 minutes of briefing from ultimately like 7 slides, several of which had so many builds the final product was entirely indecipherable unless you actually witnessed each increment of build.

Completely nuts.

Anyway, back to the oil

 

[Panda87]

My team uses it very little - a VP took this engineer - he will get enough and say so at appraisal time in April …
Hope he gets promoted for the torture

You wouldn't believe the insane layers of powerpoint animations I saw at the morning commander's intel brief a CENTCOM during the 2005-2006 period. 40 minutes of briefing from ultimately like 7 slides, several of which had so many builds the final product was entirely indecipherable unless you actually witnessed each increment of build.

Completely nuts.

Anyway, back to the oil

We were still that way in 2018-2020. The paradigm of “hour long slide briefings” was squashed with new leadership, thank Bob.

Agreed, back to the oil nerdery.

I do have a question related to the HPL 40 grade. I tried to find it in the thread, but didn’t come to anything I’d consider conclusive.
-Down to what temp Fahrenheit would you estimate the HPL 40 to reasonably pump during cold startup?

The reason I ask is I’m currently using the HPL PCMO 5w-40 in my Ford 5.4 3v spec’d for 5w-20. Since the switch, I’ve noticed a bit slower, seemingly a bit more labored starting in weather below about 45 degrees, though it still fires off in about 2 seconds (vice 1 when warmer). Battery SOC is good, so it could be the starter getting tired at 174,000mi, but this only started when I switched to this oil.

 

[altaylar]

I hear that. Available time and energy get less and less every year. I've drifted away from religious service schedules and do it when the weather is nicer/bareable. Maybe it's 5 months 4k or 6 months and 8k... I'm done laying on a frozen concrete floor or the extreme opposite. So, I'm with you, all my stuff is all season.

I understand that 100%. It is not for purists, but fluid extractors usually do a good job for 10% of the effort

 

[edyvw]

Lost a fantastic 5 year ME to PowerPoint - he was so good with them that Stevie Wonder could see the right decision …
Now stuck in the planning group doing PP packs all day …

I was at War College when one BBC journalist was giving some lecture, and he had only one PPT slide of some cartoon. He said: “this is for my American military friends.” At one point USAF had patches that said: “1000 PPT presentations.”

 

[4wd]

I was at War College when one BBC journalist was giving some lecture, and he had only one PPT slide of some cartoon. He said: “this is for my American military friends.” At one point USAF had patches that said: “1000 PPT presentations.”

Yep, it’s still great when used correctly - I tell engineers minimum kit - and to put slides with granularity as backup - just in case specific questions come up - and I like to keep them for quick reference on basis of design … (3:1 in backup) …
Our management = mainly hEngineering …

 

[Overfill]

I always appreciate your posts here my man. Just for reference though, my HPL primary oil for my Limited had 434ppm of moly when sampled at 7200mi. That’s a fluid specifically made for a clutch environment. I think there is more to clutch slippage in an oil formula than moly based on my experience of 1.

I appreciate that. I recognize that its the total formula of the blend, not just elevated moly alone. I tend to be very averse to recommending high moly in clutch use unless the formulator gives the ok. All that said, yours is the highest moly compound content in any clutch-use blend I have come across. This revives my curiosity regarding HPL CK-4 blends, which also have high moly.

 

[Overfill]

We were still that way in 2018-2020. The paradigm of “hour long slide briefings” was squashed with new leadership, thank Bob.

Agreed, back to the oil nerdery.

I do have a question related to the HPL 40 grade. I tried to find it in the thread, but didn’t come to anything I’d consider conclusive.
-Down to what temp Fahrenheit would you estimate the HPL 40 to reasonably pump during cold startup?

The reason I ask is I’m currently using the HPL PCMO 5w-40 in my Ford 5.4 3v spec’d for 5w-20. Since the switch, I’ve noticed a bit slower, seemingly a bit more labored starting in weather below about 45 degrees, though it still fires off in about 2 seconds (vice 1 when warmer). Battery SOC is good, so it could be the starter getting tired at 174,000mi, but this only started when I switched to this oil.

Dave mentioned it reaches 25W limits; it will pump down to 5F, and crank at 14F.

 

[Panda87]

I appreciate that. I recognize that its the total formula of the blend, not just elevated moly alone. I tend to be very averse to recommending high moly in clutch use unless the formulator gives the ok. All that said, yours is the highest moly compound content in any clutch-use blend I have come across. This revives my curiosity regarding HPL CK-4 blends, which also have high moly.

No problem! You’ve always been courteous and helpful to me. If you’re interested, I can send you the UOA in PM if seeing it may help demonstrate a bigger picture of its constituents.

 

[Overfill]

No problem! You’ve always been courteous and helpful to me. If you’re interested, I can send you the UOA in PM if seeing it may help demonstrate a bigger picture of its constituents.

I should've just gone back to their page; They find 15w-40 suitable for Allison TES 439

 

[edyvw]

Yep, it’s still great when used correctly - I tell engineers minimum kit - and to put slides with granularity as backup - just in case specific questions come up - and I like to keep them for quick reference on basis of design … (3:1 in backup) …
Our management = mainly hEngineering …

Absolutely. Military officers, especially USAF/Space, still trying to breed inner McNamara.

 

[Hohn]

Absolutely. Military officers, especially USAF/Space, still trying to breed inner McNamara.

Indeed--as a graduate of that fine military intuition in your locality, I've seen it up close (and was even a co-conspirator at times). I'm now reformed by 20 years of civilian life. I'm sure Pete is a wild place now that the Space Cadets got their own home

 

[tired]

@Hohn Your work here has me feeling a newfound appreciation for my HPL PCMO 5w-40! It seems very close (aside from the obvious use of VI) to the 15w-40 formula that you loved in use so much. I’ve found the same smoothness and overall positive experience switching to that particular oil. Had Valvoline Restore and Protect come out before I changed my Ford 5.4 3v over to HPL’s PCMO 5w-40, I’d have done the clean out first, because this engine’s cleanliness state when I got it was horrendous. Thanks for all the info here sir, much appreciated!

You could very easily run the 15W-40 or straight 40 in Huntsville.

 

[tired]

I think I was thinking 502/00/505.00 type applications. Honestly this tree is such an absurd oversimplification I should haven't even tried to give it as much resolution as I did. I frankly should have boiled it down to:
1) Start with Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w-30 unless it absolutely cannot work for you (arctic, etc)
2) Move to whatever else if and only if a) the engine is clean and 2) you have desires (OCI, viscosity, etc) Valvoline Restore and Protect cannot meet.


This is another glaring weakness in the tree because I couldn't really think of any non-HPL oil I was willing to take to "extended drain." I can't think of any oil marketed for up to 20k miles that I'd be willing to take all the way to 20k miles. So this is yet another part of the tree that probably should have been pruned at the concept stage.

I prefer your version of the tree if you don't mind sharing it here.

My personal tree has now gotten VERY simple:

• Is the person soliciting recommendations insisting on OEM viscosity and warranty type protections?
  • Send them to the dealer and tell them you can't help them. They are coming to you looking for validation, not advice.
• Have they already started using Valvoline Restore and Protect?
  • Yes, continue until clean
  • No, start until clean.
• Once clean, move to whatever floats your boat for viscosity and formulation depending on whether you are prioritizing spec compliance (i.e. going back to Euro oil), long drain (HPL PCMO) etc. Following general advice of +1 grade for non diluters and +2 grades for diluters.

Ok I'm open to any feedback from anyone. I'm no graphic designer. Had to learn a little code so this was a quick stab at it.

 

[Hohn]

That's way better. Thanks for your effort.

 

[tired]

That's way better. Thanks for your effort.

Your first one finally gave me the motivation to finish the project. I'd always wanted to do it, and yours was very similar to what I had in mind.

I changed the hybrid premium option to HPL Premium Plus PCMO 0W-30. That was a typo.

 

[edyvw]

Indeed--as a graduate of that fine military intuition in your locality, I've seen it up close (and was even a co-conspirator at times). I'm now reformed by 20 years of civilian life. I'm sure Pete is a wild place now that the Space Cadets got their own home

Ah Pete is in the turmoil. Not much enthusiasm for Huntsville.

 

[OM617YOTA]

This is a great thread.

I'll almost certainly never run monograde in anything I own, High Performance Lubricants or otherwise. Ironing out what oil is the "best" for my particular vehicles in my application took about 20 minutes of reading things already posted.

This kind of discussion and experimentation is exactly what I'm still here for. Have an interest, not enough of an interest to scratch the itch, but able to scratch that itch vicariously by reading along with those who are. Great stuff, thank you everyone for posting.