Thoughts on switching to HPL

[Shel_B]

I'm pretty sure OPs first post mentions a recommendation of how to use the HPL EC/PCMO from Dave.

"That seems to be about what Dave at HPL recommends." - from the OP, but I'm not sure if that's hear say or something he reached out directly for.

Dave has posted his suggestions here frequently. I'll see if I can find some links. Sometimes, he'd offer alternative intervals in response to a specific question or comment. Some folks here will tell you what they would do or have done, which is their own thing. I suspect there's a fair amount of wiggle room with these numbers. I'm conservative, so I'll take the conservative approach. That said, I've also talked directly with Dave both via email and face-to-face.

 

[demarpaint]

My supply of M1 EP is exhausted and I've been planning to switch for quite some time. I already have two cases of HPL, and have had them since August of 2022. So, even if I don't "need" it, I already have it. Not gonna let it age out in its storage place. Therefore, the time has finally come.

I don't consider the M1 EP that I've been using as extravagant or costly. Likewise, I don't consider using a top-quality oil, of any brand (HPL, Amsoil, others), to be an extravagance. Further, I don't believe SuperTech is "more than good enough." I believe it's good enough, comparable to many API SP Dexos oils, but nothing "more than." And, to the cost issue once again, using HPL will allow me to extend my OCIs, which will save some $$$ and time.

The decision to move to HPL was made after visiting the HPL lab and factory. There I saw much and learned much about how motor oil is made and I listened to technical discussions both formally presented and that that I overheard between engineers, technical people, and a number of folks here at BITOG.

Finally, for this post, it makes me happy. I believe it's advantageous for my engine, I like supporting Dave and HPL, I appreciate the kindness Dave has shown me, the product fits with my preferences.

Sounds like you already made up your mind, so go for it.

 

[Shel_B]

Sounds like you already made up your mind, so go for it.

Yes, my mind was made up two years ago. My post was to solicit feedback on a technique I am considering to make the transition.

 

[Shel_B]

Sure, treat it well. Do you have reason to believe the mighty 2.5 needs cleaning? If not it just sounds like a complicated path to HPL. You also say your M1 stash is exhausted but you list 8 more quarts in your plan to make the switch. It sounds like you don't put a ton of miles on and some will say SuperTech or HPL will get you as far as you want in the Camry. If your plan is what HPL recommends then that's the thing to do.

PM me when you want to sell the Camry.

I don't understand how you arrived at your numbers, but that's incidental.

The Camry will go to my friend Elena when I die. I think she likes it.

 

[AZjeff]

I don't understand how you arrived at your numbers, but that's incidental.

You said:

The first change will include M1 ESP 0W-30 (because I had some handy and want to use it) with a quart of the HPL EC

then

because I have an extra quart of HPL PCMO 5W-30, I thought I'd add that to four quarts of M1

= 8 quarts of M1 on hand right?

No matter. The Camry is waiting, get to it.

 

[gfh77665]

I don't believe SuperTech is "more than good enough." I believe it's good enough, comparable to many API SP Dexos oils, but nothing "more than." And, to the cost issue once again, using HPL will allow me to extend my OCIs, which will save some $$$ and time.

The decision to move to HPL was made after visiting the HPL lab and factory. There I saw much and learned much about how motor oil is made and I listened to technical discussions both formally presented and that that I overheard between engineers, technical people, and a number of folks here at BITOG.

Finally, for this post, it makes me happy. I believe it's advantageous for my engine, I like supporting Dave and HPL, I appreciate the kindness Dave has shown me, the product fits with my preferences.

I did say SuperTech SYN. I looked up your 2011 car and it did recommend (but not require) synthetic oils. So to be accurate, even a conventional oil would be "good enough".

What kind of oil does a 2011 Toyota Camry 2.5 take?
The 2011 Toyota Camry uses either SAE 5W-30 or SAE 0W-20 oil, which could be conventional, a synthetic blend, or fully synthetic.

The Toyota dealerships probably used a blend through the years. So, SuperTech SYN would indeed be "more than good enough", but that does not matter here. Like someone else said, you had already made up your mind with Daves help, so by all means stay with Dave and HPL.

 

[We're Metals]

The time has finally come to start the switch to HPL. The first change will include M1 ESP 0W-30 (because I had some handy and want to use it) with a quart of the HPL EC "cleaner." I plan to run this mixture for a few months and 2,000-2,500 miles. That seems to be about what Dave at HPL recommends.

After that, because I have an extra quart of HPL PCMO 5W-30, I thought I'd add that to four quarts of M1, using it like a stronger cleaner. I'd run that with about the same interval as described above. The thought is that it would afford slightly stronger cleaning than the EC, but with the small amount of HPL still be gentle.

After that, the plan is to switch completely to HPL PCMO 5W-30. What do y'all think of this plan

OK

 

[wlk]

Seems like a solid plan. Let us know what the filters look like if you get any ugliness in them after a run.

 

[Bill7]

I did say SuperTech SYN. I looked up your 2011 car and it did recommend (but not require) synthetic oils. So to be accurate, even a conventional oil would be "good enough".

What kind of oil does a 2011 Toyota Camry 2.5 take?
The 2011 Toyota Camry uses either SAE 5W-30 or SAE 0W-20 oil, which could be conventional, a synthetic blend, or fully synthetic.

The Toyota dealerships probably used a blend through the years. So, SuperTech SYN would indeed be "more than good enough", but that does not matter here. Like someone else said, you had already made up your mind with Daves help, so by all means stay with Dave and HPL.

If you do choose to use SuperTech, you may wish to purchase an exacto knife from Amazon as it's really handy in removing the anti-tamper protection on the spout of the SuperTech bottles.

This feature is rarely talked about here on BITOG, that many oils have no tamper protection and even their caps can be removed without breaking the bottom circular plastic. Since I buy my oils online from either Amazon or Walmart, I always worry that someone could return their old oil to the determent of some unsuspecting buyer. So having the tamper proof protection on the spout gives an extra level of security.

 

[dkryan]

Yes, my mind was made up two years ago. My post was to solicit feedback on a technique I am considering to make the transition.

You are overthinking it!!

Look at the last sentence of your original post!

Then look at your post at #10.

I’m not going to bother to link either cites, but it’s obvious your mind is made up.
You clearly love HPL so just use that two year old stash and use the M-1 for something else!

Based on your visit to Manteno you don’t need our affirmation!

 

[Shel_B]

Based on your visit to Manteno you don’t need our affirmation!

I didn't ask for it.

 

[Shel_B]

If you do choose to use SuperTech, you may wish to purchase an exacto knife from Amazon as it's really handy in removing the anti-tamper protection on the spout of the SuperTech bottles.

This feature is rarely talked about here on BITOG, that many oils have no tamper protection and even their caps can be removed without breaking the bottom circular plastic. Since I buy my oils online from either Amazon or Walmart, I always worry that someone could return their old oil to the determent of some unsuspecting buyer. So having the tamper proof protection on the spout gives an extra level of security.

Worthwhile information.

 

[Shel_B]

Seems like a solid plan. Let us know what the filters look like if you get any ugliness in them after a run.

Will do ...

 

[Shel_B]

I'm pretty sure OPs first post mentions a recommendation of how to use the HPL EC/PCMO from Dave.

"That seems to be about what Dave at HPL recommends." - from the OP, but I'm not sure if that's hear say or something he reached out directly for.

@MrBaumTastic , Here's Dave's post on the subject:

Thread 'High Performance Lubricants Engine Cleaner'

Oct 31, 2021

Since the topic has come up a few times I am posting the PDS in the PCMO, Diesel, and Euro sections. This is a safe path to clean varnish and or sludge left behind by other oils. There are no solvents in this oil. It has enough ester to clean but still be safe with elastomers. Simply add a quart to the current oil and can be used for 1-2,000 miles preferably but can be run longer if needed. Changing a filter at 2,000 miles is recommended should you wish to clean further.

• High Performance Lubricants

• 

 

[camrydriver111]

Use with confidence. Your engine will thank you.

 

[AZjeff]

I didn't ask for it.

Yes you did, last sentence of your first post:

What do y'all think of this plan

You have HPL and BITOG blessings.

 

[Shel_B]

Yes you did, last sentence of your first post:

You have HPL and BITOG blessings.

Yes, I asked about the plan: "What do y'all think of this plan." I did not ask for affirmation, or seek approval, as @dkryan mentioned in his post, to which I responded.

However, looking back now, I can see how some might think that that's what I was doing, or wanted. I was just interested in the good BITOGORS' thoughts about the steps I outlined to make the switch.

In the future I'll try to be much more precise in grammar and paragraph structure.

 

[AZjeff]

Sure hope the old Camry appreciates the exceptional care you give it. It probably identifies as a Lexus LC.

 

[OilStainedNapkin]

Have you performed UOAs on your Camry?

 

[Shel_B]

Have you performed UOAs on your Camry?

Nope ...