Take a look and/or photo down the the oil fill hole to get a before baseline?And so it begins.....
No, too excited. It feels smooth.Take a look and/or photo down the the oil fill hole to get a before baseline?
That doesn’t sound logical…No, too excited. It feels smooth.
I was meaning that after I poured it in that it ran fine and it wasn't giving me any trouble. There is a screen over the oil crankcase fill hole probably to keep foreign objects from falling in.That doesn’t sound logical…
No disrespect, but this is Not a scientific test. How do you know that other oils do not need heat to clean?OK, so the piece of metal has been sitting in the Ravenol SSL for about two weeks and there has been no appreciable cleaning.
Has a project-farm flavor to it...hahahahaNo disrespect, but this is Not a scientific test. How do you know that other oils do not need heat to clean?
Have seen lots of people chastised for not performing scientific tests. But yet this test is valid and we can infer and oils cleaning ability based on a two week soak?
Good of you to have some critical thinking skills. You are correct. With these type of tests (actually ALL tests) you can only surmise "under these conditions, using these products, during this test only" this is what happens. You cannot infer that these results will be the same in a running engine or any other scenario. And, Overkill has only shown results so far - no conclusions or recommendations. That's where Project Farm is wrong. He does tests that often do not correlate with real life use, then makes conclusions and recommendations based on his tests.No disrespect, but this is Not a scientific test. How do you know that other oils do not need heat to clean?
Have seen lots of people chastised for not performing scientific tests. But yet this test is valid and we can infer and oils cleaning ability based on a two week soak?
You may note that I never claimed it was a scientific test and I absolutely don't want people reading any more into it than what it is. As @doitmyself noted I am not claiming anything regarding the results or suggesting that inferences be drawn from them. With a lack of controls this is just a fun exercise with no real value beyond the entertainment it provides and the spurring of commentary such as yours, which I appreciate you adding to the thread.No disrespect, but this is Not a scientific test. How do you know that other oils do not need heat to clean?
Have seen lots of people chastised for not performing scientific tests. But yet this test is valid and we can infer and oils cleaning ability based on a two week soak?
Contact PF....I'm sure he will let you borrow his testing apparatiYou may note that I never claimed it was a scientific test and I absolutely don't want people reading any more into it than what it is. As @doitmyself noted I am not claiming anything regarding the results or suggesting that inferences be drawn from them. With a lack of controls this is just a fun exercise with no real value beyond the entertainment it provides and the spurring of commentary such as yours, which I appreciate you adding to the thread.
Dave had suggested I use heat when I spoke to him, as that makes it more effective. I do not have the time or equipment to perform this test with heat, so we get the room temperature version instead.
We also don't have detailed formulation information about the oils being used either.
Except I'm not going to be ranking anything here or drawing conclusions, lol. It's a no-budget WYSIWYG piece of entertainment, nothing more.Has a project-farm flavor to it...hahahaha
it could be inferred ranking.Except I'm not going to be ranking anything here or drawing conclusions, lol. It's a no-budget WYSIWYG piece of entertainment, nothing more.
Understandable, that's why I'm glad we are having this discussion! I want to make it clear that this is just a fun exercise to "see what happens" and no conclusions should be drawn from it.it could be inferred ranking.
HPL cleans, while the others so far dont.
I understand what you are doing and it is a fun exercise, but some members here get bent out of shape when people do these home "exercises".
I understand what you are doing and it is a fun exercise, but some members here get bent out of shape when people do these home "exercises".
Well the real ASTM test apparatus is properly used as a component screening test for motor oil blenders and formulators and for certain gear oil tests. So it has a purpose if it is used for the correct test. But it is not used to determine comparative motor oil quality for finished products.Right on, kschachn. We saw the HPL one armed bandit the other day. It sits...gathering dust...errr...if there were any dust to gather.
Agreed, but for the record I am not referring to or advocating any site or any particular test methods.m not saying that Overkill's test is some monumental testament to scientific methods but you have to understand just how flawed those other sites are in what they are doing. It's a huge difference.