How will 2024 CAFE standards impact your buying?

[edyvw]

I think they will continue to develop to the best of their ability just like they always have …

And I know more about it than you seem to give me credit for.

I really don’t have a problem with a properly executed hybrid.

Well, you stated this would go down with regime change, so I am just wondering on which planet manufacturers will say: oh yes, bring back carburetor 7.3 V8?
Most hybrids are properly executed, most are actually better executed than a bunch of gas guzzlers.

 

[edyvw]

I think plug-in hybrids are pretty brilliant. Why are we not seeing more large SUVs or trucks with this tech? Yes up front cost is a lot higher and they are more complex but it’s been 10 years since they became very available so they’ve figured it out by now.

Many manufacturers underestimated the market. There is a trend toward EV, but they completely neglected plug-ins. BMW released X5 45e, and since then they cannot make them enough. So when they redesigned X5, the PHEV version was the focus of the redesign.
VW has excellent PHEVs in the EU, but they are not having them here. Why? I think in many instances goes: never underestimate human stupidity.

 

[Mainia]

Seriously? If yes search "rule by fiat" not capitalized as Mainia incorrectly did.

speallinng mazi, oh pleez.

 

[edyvw]

Let’s not forget that under Obama, the 2025 CAFE target was 54.5mpg, or the fact that the calculation used to arrive at CAFE fuel economy is ridiculous at best. Or that a 2015 F-150 with the 2.7L ecoboost, EPA rated at 22mpg combined, was almost compliant with that 54.5mpg CAFE number.

It is astonishing that after all this time there is an absolute misunderstanding of what CAFE is.

 

[Elkins45]

I don’t want a hybrid. For the driving I do there’s no real benefit in fuel economy but a huge downside in complexity and maintenance costs. I also don’t want a turbo.

I’m not the person dumping all the CO2 into the atmosphere. Can’t the government please just leave me alone?

 

[CleanSump]

Not going to affect my plans one bit.
Circa 1974 - Unleaded gas and catalytic converters brought on "the end of high performance automobiles" - NOT. But everyone cried it would.
I''ve already planned my retirement in a country with no CAFE rules, where they cherish 1950's through 1970s American and Mercedes. Taking my current MB, motorcycles, and maybe the BMW with me.

 

[honeeagle]

CAFE - corporate AVERAGE fuel economy

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I just don’t understand what is so hard to understand about CAFE? It is average, not model based. Which means manufacturer can have 15mpg vehicles on sale as long as corporate economy is 49mpg.
If manufacturer didn’t expect this than they will go bankrupt bcs. they have been part of negotiations for last two years. No one dropped this without their knowledge.

People are fearful that their ability to purchase an affordable vehicle is slowly being taken away. This is on top of the fact that they already know that current high prices are in part subsidizing BEV sales/development.

Of course what's lost on many is that for over a decade we've had ridiculously low financing costs and now it's time to pay the piper. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Not going to affect my plans one bit.
Circa 1974 - Unleaded gas and catalytic converters brought on "the end of high performance automobiles" - NOT. But everyone cried it would.
I''ve already planned my retirement in a country with no CAFE rules, where they cherish 1950's through 1970s American and Mercedes. Taking my current MB, motorcycles, and maybe the BMW with me.

So you're moving to Cuba?

 

[SC Maintenance]

I wanted to ask that question—is this 49mpg what we think 49mpg is?

No. Most people don't understand Cafe.

First, its for the "average" passenger vehicle, and its based on a typical cars footprint - which is track x wheelbase. If your footprint is larger, your Cafe number increases - which is another reason OEM's are making larger cars - with the wheels pushed way forward and back.

Pickup trucks are there own category, and pickups with GVWR over 8500 lbs are yet another category, and there are different gas guzzler rules for trucks even if you don't make the required average.

THere are also other caveats. For example in 2012 the Nissan Leaf was calculated at 0mpg - or infinite mileage - no matter how much coal the power plant used.

And if your fleet doesn't meet the requirements, you can just buy offset credits from someone like Tesla.

So yes, its essentially a game / scam / lie - pick your adjective.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-release...2Ag&utm_content=254351585&utm_source=hs_email

New proposed rules increase 2026 CAFE to 49 mpg in a push toward mandatory electrification. I really didn’t want to buy a new car right now when you have to pay MSRP for a very limited selection, but I may need to snag that ICE Camry before it’s too late. Is anyone else thinking about speeding up a purchase in order to snag a particular model before it goes away?

No. Current models of what I like are not more reliable than my current ride and the interiors are uglier.

 

[Shel_B]

I don’t want a hybrid. For the driving I do there’s no real benefit in fuel economy but a huge downside in complexity and maintenance costs. I also don’t want a turbo.

I’m not the person dumping all the CO2 into the atmosphere. Can’t the government please just leave me alone?

@Elkins45, What maintenance costs? I'm familiar with maintaining hybrids: 12 years with Sweetie's Prius, 10 years helping my friend Linda, seven friends have hybrids and I'm familiar with their maintenance regimes and requirements. None of these cars, over a period of more than a decade, has had maintenance costs greater than any straight ICE vehicle I'm familiar with. These cars have all been Toyota products except for one Chevrolet.

 

[CleanSump]

So you're moving to Cuba?

Nope.
Thailand

 

[labfan]

Have you walked around lately? I’m constantly amazed people manage to feed themselves..,

That's true. But a lot of them have tick tock and Instagram installed on their phones and rack up interest accruing credit card debt by having McDonald's and starbucks daily. So I expect a better audience here.

 

[edyvw]

So you're moving to Cuba?

i work with a lot of people who invoke Cuba/communism in policy conversations. They generally don’t understand basic form of their own government. Let’s not go there.

 

[supton]

rack up interest accruing credit card debt by having McDonald's and starbucks daily.

How many people buy from both McD’s and Starbucks? that’s not what I tend to think of, to me thats two different groups of people. Both could be in the same debt, sure.

 

[edyvw]

People are fearful that their ability to purchase an affordable vehicle is slowly being taken away. This is on top of the fact that they already know that current high prices are in part subsidizing BEV sales/development.

Of course what's lost on many is that for over a decade we've had ridiculously low financing costs and now it's time to pay the piper. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Subsidizing doesn’t transfer to cost of vehicle. We subsidize A LOT of stuff, including gasoline production.
We had cheap money for a long time , as you noted. We also developed cultural traits where everyone must own 7-8 passenger vehicle, 4,000sq. ft house etc. and when you mention something, they invoke good ole days, when average house was 958sq. ft. people were dying left and right bcs. cars were rolling coffins etc.
Today’s progress in automotive world was brought to you by government regulation. Otherwise, FORD would still claim that airbags are replacement for seat belts and ABS would still be argued by many manufacturers to be a death trap.

 

[edyvw]

How many people buy from both McD’s and Starbucks? that’s not what I tend to think of, to me thats two different groups of people. Both could be in the same debt, sure.

Not many. Most people who live on daily McD do that as its is cheaper than buying food in grocery store. It provides better bang for a buck. Until 30yrs later, coronary arteries get clogged.
Daily McD is poor people disease.

 

[dishdude]

Gonna continue cruising around in my 1994 Tercel without worrying about CAFE.

Ironically little cars like that were produced as a result of CAFE.

 

[4WD]

Not many. Most people who live on daily McD do that as its is cheaper than buying food in grocery store. It provides better bang for a buck. Until 30yrs later, coronary arteries get clogged.
Daily McD is poor people disease.

https://news.yahoo.com/warren-buffett-famously-loves-mcdonalds-163104691.html