How GM Transmissions are designed To Fail with NextGen Drivetrain

[buster]

Potential fix for the 8l45/8l90. Worth considering if you plan on keeping your truck long term. So the gen 3 transmission hasn't really changed from the gen 2. I thought it did (8:40). This guy is pretty knowledgeable. Worth watching. Very critical of GM's behavior.

7:00-8:40.



https://nextgendiesel.com/collections/8l45-e-transmission-transmission-parts/products/project-carbon®-8l90-e-billet-valve-body-upgrade-kit-w-pulsedelete™

Conclusion:

This product was designed so that the 8L90-E transmission could survive hundreds of hundreds of thousands of miles safely. In all data we’ve collected, it was obvious that the pulse dampening system was the root cause of this poor longevity. Finally, a permanent and total solution exists.

 

[MrHorspwer]

Conclusion:

This product was designed so that the 8L90-E transmission could survive hundreds of hundreds of thousands of miles safely. In all data we’ve collected, it was obvious that the pulse dampening system was the root cause of this poor longevity. Finally, a permanent and total solution exists.

This is literally the same conclusion for most of the products they make.

Conclusion:

This product was designed so that the ZF PowerLine-8 transmission could survive hundreds of hundreds of thousands of miles safely. In all data we’ve collected, it was obvious that the pulse dampening system was the root cause of this poor longevity. Finally, a permanent and total solution exists.

Conclusion:

This product was designed so that the Ford 6-Speed transmission could survive hundreds of hundreds of thousands of miles safely. In all data we’ve collected, it was obvious that the pulse dampening system was the root cause of this poor longevity. Finally, a permanent and total solution exists.

ZF, Ford, GM, Aisin, Chrysler: They're all designed to fail unless you buy our $700 fix kit!

"The internet told me that 10-speed anything sucks and that I'm better off with a 6-speed transmission because they last forever but the guy selling $700 valve body kits with ™ and ® all over the site says that 6-speed sucks too unless I have PulseDelete™."

 

[tblt44]

Fluid change

 

[gman2304]

Planned obsolescence is nothing new. Need to hit up Clinebarger.

 

[JavierH19]

Planned obsolescence is nothing new. Need to hit up Clinebarger.

I think he commented about how he drove an 8 speed with the nextgen parts and liked it so i'd get them just with that.

 

[4wd]

Planned obsolescence is nothing new. Need to hit up Clinebarger.

I yield the balance of my time to the Gentleman from Fort Worth, TX

 

[buster]

He said if you plan on keeping long term it's worth it.

 

[64bawagon]

My 2025 SIlverado 3500 diesel is going to get the kit this summer. I use the truck primarily for towing and I need to make this one last.

 

[joekingcorvette]

I like the GM trucks especially the Silverado Trail Boss however with GM's transmission problems and 6.2 failures it totally makes me want to keep driving what I have. Very good report regarding the transmission problems. After the warranty is up the customer is out of luck.

 

[randomhero439]

Generally, automotive transmissions target 150,000 miles with R90C50 reliability. What that means is they are 50% confident that 90% of the population will make it past 150,000 miles with anticipated usage. If you buy a truck, the expected usage is towing. If you buy a sports car, the expected usage is potentially track use or more spirited driving. The anticipated usage of the vehicle heavily influences the component life (and the maintenance and fluids chosen by the OEM). This is a TARGET, not an absolute. Automotive systems may go far beyond this, as not all decisions about component sizing are based on this reliability target.

As computer-aided design and simulation become more advanced, OEMs can get closer to this target with a smaller error margin. 20 years ago, things had to be "overdesigned" because simulations couldn't predict failure modes as accurately.

 

[BigCahuna]

I have a lightly used 2011 Chevy equinox with 104k on the clock. Since my wife bought it at 35k miles, I've changed the transmission fluid twice. You can't change the internal filter without taking the engine and transmission out of the car, so it's just a drain and fill 5/6 qt deal. So when ever the transmission decides to quit working, the car will be donated or scrapped. It has no resale value because of it's age and bad reputation for being a rolling repair night mare. I'd never spend big bucks repairing any vehicle over 10 years old.,,

 

[K-Man]

I have a lightly used 2011 Chevy equinox with 104k on the clock. Since my wife bought it at 35k miles, I've changed the transmission fluid twice. You can't change the internal filter without taking the engine and transmission out of the car, so it's just a drain and fill 5/6 qt deal. So when ever the transmission decides to quit working, the car will be donated or scrapped. It has no resale value because of it's age and bad reputation for being a rolling repair night mare. I'd never spend big bucks repairing any vehicle over 10 years old.,,

The highlighted sentence is the real reason components fail. I'm convinced the automakers have designed basic maintenance to be difficult or nearly impossible as the real cause of planned obsolescence. It doesn't even have to be an impossible-to-service filter like this, but things like requiring special expensive (and often hard-to-get) service tools for the likes of timing-belt changes.

This doesn't include such wonders as the several-thousand-$ taillights on newer pickups that incorporate electronics and sensors, or throwing away large pieces of vehicles to service a small part, such as replacing an entire control arm instead of just a bad ball joint.

It's obvious that such design features are deliberate to ensure periodic vehicle replacement. Cha-ching! Such unnecessary consumption is not sustainable, and we should be encouraging much longer lifespans for vehicles to minimize use of finite resources.

If governments are going to mandate elements of vehicle design, these are among the things that definitely need to be addressed in those mandates.

 

[martinq]

Fluid change

Definitely helps. Don't forget to clean your magnets, they don't filter your fluid when they're loaded.

 

[BigCahuna]

The highlighted sentence is the real reason components fail. I'm convinced the automakers have designed basic maintenance to be difficult or nearly impossible as the real cause of planned obsolescence. It doesn't even have to be an impossible-to-service filter like this, but things like requiring special expensive (and often hard-to-get) service tools for the likes of timing-belt changes.

This doesn't include such wonders as the several-thousand-$ taillights on newer pickups that incorporate electronics and sensors, or throwing away large pieces of vehicles to service a small part, such as replacing an entire control arm instead of just a bad ball joint.

It's obvious that such design features are deliberate to ensure periodic vehicle replacement. Cha-ching! Such unnecessary consumption is not sustainable, and we should be encouraging much longer lifespans for vehicles to minimize use of finite resources.

If governments are going to mandate elements of vehicle design, these are among the things that definitely need to be addressed in those mandates.

I agree. Even if they put a filter like a engine oil filter to strain all the junk the out, it would be easy to do a real service. But the mfgrs don't really want your car to last a long time. If they did, they would only sell a relatively small amount of new cars.,,

 

[D60]

I have a lightly used 2011 Chevy equinox with 104k on the clock. {snip}. So when ever the transmission decides to quit working, the car will be donated or scrapped. It has no resale value because of it's age and bad reputation for being a rolling repair night mare. I'd never spend big bucks repairing any vehicle over 10 years old.,,

The transmission failures in question are in trucks that cost much more initially and historically pickups are not disposable like an Equinox.

If you're not in the rust belt, a 2011 GM truck is absolutely worth fixing. 1500 less so, but still worth it. If you get into Duramax territory, ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT worth investment.

A 2011 Equinox is disposable.

Apples to oranges

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

This is literally the same conclusion for most of the products they make.





ZF, Ford, GM, Aisin, Chrysler: They're all designed to fail unless you buy our $700 fix kit!

"The internet told me that 10-speed anything sucks and that I'm better off with a 6-speed transmission because they last forever but the guy selling $700 valve body kits with ™ and ® all over the site says that 6-speed sucks too unless I have PulseDelete™."

Hey now! It's not the fault of ZF if an automaker chooses to swap in an inferior part.

 

[CKN]

Another youtube video that has very little credibility. BUY MY STUFF!

 

[robbobster]

10L1000 units have valve body issues from the factory.

Common fail point for the 6L80 is the converter/converter clutch, not the valve body.

 

[buster]

Another youtube video that has very little credibility. BUY MY STUFF!

I'm not so sure about that. I'm reading they're good upgrades.

On another note, my power steering failed today while....or is in the process of failing. Whining noise coming from wheel when moving it and much more stiff to turn wheel.

 

[4wd]

I'm not so sure about that. I'm reading they're good upgrades.

On another note, my power steering failed today while....or is in the process of failing. Whining noise coming from wheel when moving it and much more stiff to turn wheel.

Hopefully just a ground corroded - saw that before …