Hondas, Toyotas and the brainwashed

[Indydriver]

Maybe this has been brought up but I couldn't stand to wade through all 20 pages...

VCM did it for me with Honda. Faulty engineering from the get-go, followed by denial and stonewalling by Honda. Many, many very loyal Honda owners got told to pound sand when their soccer mom Odysseys ground to a halt. Honda taught all their dealers (who then had to carry the mail with their customers) that oil consumption of a qt/1000 miles was "normal". I had a front row seat to the class action lawsuit and watched the poor plaintiffs get picked apart by Honda's vast and ruthless legal team.

The following was proven:

1. Honda's reputation for engineering excellence (from their 70's-80's motorcycle greatness) is long gone.
2. Honda cares nothing for their customers when a bad product threatens their bottom line.
3. Honda is capable of the worst kind of corporate heavy-handedness when big $$$ are at stake.
4. [Unrelated] Have you seen Honda's attempts at "styling" recently? Seriously, it is decrepit. When was the last time Honda styled a great looking car? The S2000?

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: macarose
Check here...

http://www.dashboard-light.com/

Plenty of data on the long-term reliability of used cars.


Yup pretty much sums up my P.O.S. Journey.

http://dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Dodge_Journey.html

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Maybe this has been brought up but I couldn't stand to wade through all 20 pages...

VCM did it for me with Honda. Faulty engineering from the get-go, followed by denial and stonewalling by Honda. Many, many very loyal Honda owners got told to pound sand when their soccer mom Odysseys ground to a halt. Honda taught all their dealers (who then had to carry the mail with their customers) that oil consumption of a qt/1000 miles was "normal". I had a front row seat to the class action lawsuit and watched the poor plaintiffs get picked apart by Honda's vast and ruthless legal team.

The following was proven:

1. Honda's reputation for engineering excellence (from their 70's-80's motorcycle greatness) is long gone.
2. Honda cares nothing for their customers when a bad product threatens their bottom line.
3. Honda is capable of the worst kind of corporate heavy-handedness when big $$$ are at stake.
4. [Unrelated] Have you seen Honda's attempts at "styling" recently? Seriously, it is decrepit. When was the last time Honda styled a great looking car? The S2000?


You can say this for pretty much every car company though. Even the "almighty" Toyota. My GF's Prius had a serious problem with the anti-lock brake system. It was dangerous to drive. Dealers we took it to wouldn't even test drive it or give her the time of day. They claimed "that's how ABS works" and that we didn't know what we were talking about.

Quality these days means lasting through the warranty, simple as that.

My family has owned Hondas since the 1980s, with a few Jeeps and Euro cars sprinkled in-between. The Hondas might have had the edge in reliability, but one thing was for sure. If something happened on the Jeep or the Euros we were more likely to get help from the dealer or corporate. Honda is so full of arrogance it is incredible. Our local Honda dealer even states that they have a "no haggle" policy for pricing. When my mom's 2011 Fit had some warranty work done, the dealer techs managed to damage the wheel and tire on the test drive by in their words "driving where they weren't supposed to". They said nothing about it until my mom went to pick it up and the wheel had gouges in it and the tire was flat. We had to fight with the dealer and corporate for 3 days to get them to replace the wheel and tire on a car with 4500 miles on it that THEY damaged.

I still like older Honda cars, but I'll never buy a new one and I will avoid the dealer at all costs.

 

[ls1mike]

I will never understand all the problems people have had with cars. Aside from 02 Jetta TDI which really was a poor car, biggest things I have to do were intake gaskets on my 3800 powered cars. The occasional water pump or suspension part I am ok with. I have blown up a few transmissions but that was on modified stuff.

I can go way back to the 80's turbo Dodge stuff and talk about Hall effects and head gaskets but they pretty easy to fix. I am trying to think of a car that gave me so much trouble I wouldn't buy from the again. My VW was the only one and they are much better now.

I almost always buy GM stuff now because I have some GM specific tools, understand their programming and the stuff of theirs that I have works for me.

 

[SatinSilver]

Happy GM owner it sounds like. That's a good thing.

 

[fdcg27]

+1 on that.
We've owned a whole bunch of different cars over the past four decades and what they all had in common is that none of them gave any particular trouble.
Part of that is that if you understand the things and can work on them, most of the minor niggles don't seem so bad.
Also, if you develop a solid shade tree background, you know when to throw a flag or at least ask some intelligent questions when presented with an unlikely and expensive diagnoses and fix.
I pity those who have no clue as to how the various systems work.
Having no idea who to trust to do correct and honest work even where a premium shop rate is charged is another problem for the clueless.
These are the reasons that so many people lease cars that are gone with the warranty and are then sold on cheaply to those who are either better informed or who are willing to take the risk for a greatly reduced price.

 

[Ammofirst]

Foreign cars were the first big volley for the Globalist elite. Stage 1 if you will. If you think America matters then say so with your wallet.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
Foreign cars were the first big volley for the Globalist elite. Stage 1 if you will. If you think America matters then say so with your wallet.

 

[Ammofirst]

Open up

 

[StevieC]

They are buying "foreign" cars because they are offering something that domestics don't, consumers wouldn't just switch just because and certainly not for vehicles that are typically higher price than domestic equivalents. If you can't see what that is then well there is no point in arguing.

Further last I checked those "Foreign" manufacturers are employing people in factories here.

I'm going to stop here.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
Foreign cars were the first big volley for the Globalist elite. Stage 1 if you will. If you think America matters then say so with your wallet.


I'm SO ashamed...

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: StevieC

Further last I checked those "Foreign" manufacturers are employing people in factories here.

I'm going to stop here.

Yup.

Toyota = factories in USA
Honda = factories in USA
BMW = factories in USA
Mercedes-Benz = factories in the USA

 

[aquariuscsm]

Domestic cars are also mostly made from foreign parts. So I guess in essence all cars are foreign cars.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Domestic cars are also mostly made from foreign parts. So I guess in essence all cars are foreign cars.


You stop those facts right now!

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Starman2112
Why would anyone recommend a Ford over a Toyota or Honda? What did this lady ever do to you?


Prime example of the brainwashed.

MKUltra doesn't have anything on Honda and Toyota marketing.

 

[gofast182]

This thread should die. I understand the point the OP is making and mostly agree but a title like that is red meat for a different group of "the brainwashed". Yes a Ford or a Kia can be the best option for many people, but Honda and Toyota still lead the way in several segments.

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Domestic cars are also mostly made from foreign parts. So I guess in essence all cars are foreign cars.


I have a friend who only buys Chevy "because it is 100% American".

I showed him all of the numbers for different car manufacturers that have the % of domestic and foreign parts, but he said the numbers were fake to skew sales.

Talk about brainwashed lol.

 

[StevieC]

I'm glad you said it because if I did I would be accused of GM Bashing.

 

[jeepman3071]

The reality is we live in a global economy. All manufacturers operate on a global scale. When buying ANY car, you have to do research on what problems it may have. Some cars even have different issues within the same model depending on engine choice.

Buying blindly because of brand history is stupid. To think that a 2017 Ford truck will be the same as a 1980s truck is silly. Brand loyalty gets a lot of people, and why? The brand is not loyal to you. Find the vehicle that has the options and features you like, and buy that one.

There are many vehicles that I have been attracted to, only to test drive them and walk away with different thoughts.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
The reality is we live in a global economy. All manufacturers operate on a global scale. When buying ANY car, you have to do research on what problems it may have. Some cars even have different issues within the same model depending on engine choice.

Buying blindly because of brand history is stupid. To think that a 2017 Ford truck will be the same as a 1980s truck is silly. Brand loyalty gets a lot of people, and why? The brand is not loyal to you. Find the vehicle that has the options and features you like, and buy that one.

There are many vehicles that I have been attracted to, only to test drive them and walk away with different thoughts.


YES, YES & MORE YES!

The only thing I would add some brands have histories of producing worse vehicles than others. So while each model should be evaluated on it's own the brand on the whole should also weigh in the decision.