Honda vs Other small engines.

It's hard to go wrong anymore with what's out there. The horizontal Chinese engines are really good. My Harbor Freight 212cc Predator has been absolutely a joy to use. Starts like a Honda, runs excellent. My 196cc Champion is about the same. Zero complaints. The Champion is about 10 years old with several hundred hours on it and still acts like I bought it last week. No oil consumption, starts first pull (or second if I forgot to turn the fuel valve on). The Predator is still new but I forsee that thing lasting me forever. Huge issue for me is "how hard is it going to be to start this thing". Honda GX and its clones are amazingly easy to start.

Honda GX engines are the best. Easiest starting. Longest lasting. Consistently reliable. They're all good, no gambling. Expensive, but worth every penny. There's a reason why the phrase "like a Honda" is used for comparison.

Chinese clones are a close second with a nod to the Predator 212 in particular. Starts like a Honda, runs like a Honda. Slight gamble but only a very small percentage are bad. Failure stories are generally "I knew a guy, who knew a guy, who's brother's neighbor had one that was junk, I'll never buy one for my occasional residential needs". Inexpensive. Easy to fix if something goes bad, huge aftermarket. Readily available and inexpensive replacement parts should you ever need them. You probably won't. Champion, LCT, Lifan, etc. All really really good.

Honda GC engines are perfectly fine, carburetors tend to clog. I have 3 of these and all 3 have had carburetor issues. Carb is $9 on Amazon... The engines will generally outlast whatever it's mounted on. Has a plastic cam and timing belt cause some to worry. Don't. The engine is good. The carb...isn't.

Briggs....Hit and miss with me. They work I guess. Can be good. Can be easy starting. Can be an old hag to start. All generally are very long lasting. Had a few flatheads last me decades. One in particular on a John Deere push mower was a gem and I miss it. Performed flawlessly without issue or hassle for 16 years before the stupid governor failed, oversped, and blew up before I could short the plug....

Tecumseh. Out of business for a reason and good riddance to them. They SUCK. Impossible to start below 70 degrees. Last forever because nobody can start them. Cause of more shoulder surgeries than baseball and football combined.

I've no experience with other brands.
 
Originally Posted by Clayslayer
Tecumseh. Out of business for a reason and good riddance to them. They SUCK. Impossible to start below 70 degrees. Last forever because nobody can start them. Cause of more shoulder surgeries than baseball and football combined.


This is the second thread you've posted this in and it's just not true.
 
Originally Posted by glock19
Originally Posted by Clayslayer
Tecumseh. Out of business for a reason and good riddance to them. They SUCK. Impossible to start below 70 degrees. Last forever because nobody can start them. Cause of more shoulder surgeries than baseball and football combined.


This is the second thread you've posted this in and it's just not true.
. From my experience with two Tecumseh engines it is true. A John Deere 112 and a Sears edger. I had a can of starting fluid dedicated to the Tecumsehs and would spray the carbs before even attempting to start them. The Tecumseh carbs are legendary for being junk. The main jet had to be indexed to just the right orientation or they were very difficult to start. Having said that, both mine ran good if I ever got them started. Do a search and you'll see many instances of the infamous Tecumseh "no start" engines.
 
Originally Posted by gman2304
Originally Posted by glock19
Originally Posted by Clayslayer
Tecumseh. Out of business for a reason and good riddance to them. They SUCK. Impossible to start below 70 degrees. Last forever because nobody can start them. Cause of more shoulder surgeries than baseball and football combined.


This is the second thread you've posted this in and it's just not true.
. From my experience with two Tecumseh engines it is true. A John Deere 112 and a Sears edger. I had a can of starting fluid dedicated to the Tecumsehs and would spray the carbs before even attempting to start them. The Tecumseh carbs are legendary for being junk. The main jet had to be indexed to just the right orientation or they were very difficult to start. Having said that, both mine ran good if I ever got them started. Do a search and you'll see many instances of the infamous Tecumseh "no start" engines.

I reiterate, NONSENSE!
A properly maintained/tuned Tecumseh engine with fresh clean gas in it (and stored properly during periods of non-use) will start on the first or second pull EVERY time. If it doesn't, there is something wrong with it. I wouldn't let a machine leave my shop if it didn't, REGARDLESS OF MAKE (the only exception to this rule were B&S engines with Vacu-Jet carburetors), I checked each and every one of them myself. Tecumseh's carburetors were excellent, simple in concept, easy to understand, and easy to fix. The main jet did not have to be indexed, that is ridiculous. 99% of the carburetor and starting problems are related to improper storage and/or bad/old/contaminated fuel.
You are all probably too young to remember this, but many years ago Sears used to have a live TV commercial on every Sunday night during the Ed Sullivan Show where they started a Craftsman push mower (with a Tecumseh engine) promoting/selling the fact that it would start on the first pull. That mower NEVER failed to start on the first pull.
 
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I had a T-power tiller many moons ago … easy to start and would that thing do some RPM's !
Gave it away running fine when I was no longer needing it …
 
Originally Posted by wag123
Originally Posted by gman2304
Originally Posted by glock19
Originally Posted by Clayslayer
Tecumseh. Out of business for a reason and good riddance to them. They SUCK. Impossible to start below 70 degrees. Last forever because nobody can start them. Cause of more shoulder surgeries than baseball and football combined.


This is the second thread you've posted this in and it's just not true.
. From my experience with two Tecumseh engines it is true. A John Deere 112 and a Sears edger. I had a can of starting fluid dedicated to the Tecumsehs and would spray the carbs before even attempting to start them. The Tecumseh carbs are legendary for being junk. The main jet had to be indexed to just the right orientation or they were very difficult to start. Having said that, both mine ran good if I ever got them started. Do a search and you'll see many instances of the infamous Tecumseh "no start" engines.

I reiterate, NONSENSE!
A properly maintained/tuned Tecumseh engine with fresh gas in it (and stored properly during periods of non-use) will start on the first or second pull EVERY time. If it doesn't, there is something wrong with it. I wouldn't let a machine leave my shop if it didn't, I checked each and every one of them myself. Tecumseh's carburetors were

excellent, simple in concept, easy to understand, and easy to fix. The main jet did not have to be indexed, that is ridiculous.
You are all probably too young to remember this, but many years ago Sears used to have a live TV commercial on every Sunday night during the Ed Sullivan Show where they started a Craftsman push mower (with a Tecumseh engine) promoting/selling the fact that it would start on the first pull. That mower NEVER failed to start on the first pull.


totally agree.....the 9hpTecumseh on my craftsman snow blower was dead reliable. not a single issue with anything just make sure oil is topped off and you are good to go.
 
My snowblower with a Tec. Engine is 5 years old and is flawless . And last year I left untreated gas in it all summer . It has electric start though , it's a hog if you try to pull start .
 
Originally Posted by Clayslayer
It's hard to go wrong anymore with what's out there. The horizontal Chinese engines are really good. My Harbor Freight 212cc Predator has been absolutely a joy to use. Starts like a Honda, runs excellent. My 196cc Champion is about the same. Zero complaints. The Champion is about 10 years old with several hundred hours on it and still acts like I bought it last week. No oil consumption, starts first pull (or second if I forgot to turn the fuel valve on). The Predator is still new but I forsee that thing lasting me forever. Huge issue for me is "how hard is it going to be to start this thing". Honda GX and its clones are amazingly easy to start.

Honda GX engines are the best. Easiest starting. Longest lasting. Consistently reliable. They're all good, no gambling. Expensive, but worth every penny. There's a reason why the phrase "like a Honda" is used for comparison.

Chinese clones are a close second with a nod to the Predator 212 in particular. Starts like a Honda, runs like a Honda. Slight gamble but only a very small percentage are bad. Failure stories are generally "I knew a guy, who knew a guy, who's brother's neighbor had one that was junk, I'll never buy one for my occasional residential needs". Inexpensive. Easy to fix if something goes bad, huge aftermarket. Readily available and inexpensive replacement parts should you ever need them. You probably won't. Champion, LCT, Lifan, etc. All really really good.

Honda GC engines are perfectly fine, carburetors tend to clog. I have 3 of these and all 3 have had carburetor issues. Carb is $9 on Amazon... The engines will generally outlast whatever it's mounted on. Has a plastic cam and timing belt cause some to worry. Don't. The engine is good. The carb...isn't.

Briggs....Hit and miss with me. They work I guess. Can be good. Can be easy starting. Can be an old hag to start. All generally are very long lasting. Had a few flatheads last me decades. One in particular on a John Deere push mower was a gem and I miss it. Performed flawlessly without issue or hassle for 16 years before the stupid governor failed, oversped, and blew up before I could short the plug....

Tecumseh. Out of business for a reason and good riddance to them. They SUCK. Impossible to start below 70 degrees. Last forever because nobody can start them. Cause of more shoulder surgeries than baseball and football combined.

I've no experience with other brands.



ok, you officially know a guy!!...

I have a predator 212 on my pressure washer. After 15 hours of use the decompression cantilever on the camshaft froze. Without decompression, The pull start is hard enough to deform the starter, and frankly I'm not sure I could muster the strength to do it. I took it apart, cleaned it up, and it started exactly once before freezing again. Now every time I need to start it, I smack it solidly with a hammer right at the cam bearing. It takes a good hit to free it, and previous hits are visible. So it's not a catastrophic failure, but if someone didn't have any know-how, it might as well be.

When it's running, it runs every bit as smoothly as a honda. IIRC the honda specs a longer duration between valve adjustments, so it's possible the honda motor has better materials, etc., but for the 10hours/year mine gets, we'll never see the difference.
 
Originally Posted by glock19
Originally Posted by Clayslayer
Tecumseh. Out of business for a reason and good riddance to them. They SUCK. Impossible to start below 70 degrees. Last forever because nobody can start them. Cause of more shoulder surgeries than baseball and football combined.


This is the second thread you've posted this in and it's just not true.


I just got an old 6.75 tecumseh off the curb and it started right up, presumably with a half tank of last years gas. And a filthy air filter. Deck is rusted to [censored] but the engine is fine!
 
Originally Posted by dave123
Honda GX engine
CAT pumps
Them the two things ya look for in a pressure washer.


EXACTLY CORRECT!

Been there, done that. Learned my lesson. My current pressure washer is a Honda 390 powered, CAT pump equipped unit. Works properly, every time, and has done so for the last 10 years. Unlike my previous units.
 
Oh, I'll stand by my Tecumseh opinion. I'm contemplating building a 30 foot tall trebuchet just to see how far I can chuck the Snow King on my John Deere snowblower. If it didn't have electric start it'd never run. Once it starts it runs fine but having to fiddle with an extension cord just to start an engine is ridiculous especially when the three Chinese "junk" engines I have will all start in -30 weather with one wimpy 1/2 effort pull.

meep: You could toss an aftermarket cam in that Predator? It's really easy to do, or you could get another engine for a hundred bucks... I wonder why the decompression is sticking. Is the little spring still on the cam? I had a dead Predator a while back that had been beyond abused on a project. Previous owner removed the governor, no air filter, almost no oil, eventually dropped a valve into the cylinder killing it. I took the engine apart and everything still looked pretty good. Nice smooth bore, no scoring. Could have probably just put a new valve in and been fine but I used it to show my son how engines work and just bought a new engine due to the price. I do still have the old cam. If you want it I'll give it to you.
 
My son bought me a Ariens snowblower 15 yrs ago after I crushed my left leg. Took me almost 2 yrs to recover. Anyway that Snow King Tecumseh engine has been easy to start and maintain. I'd say with Indiana weather it's only got about 200 hrs on it. Key is to always use fresh gas, change oil after winter, drain gas then run engine out of fuel. Ethanol fuels ruin carbs.
 
I will stick with my tecumseh it has been running fine since 1971
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I like Tecumseh engines, huge loss when they folded up. Now days it seems all the various small engines have some sort of problem.
I think most of those problems are brought on by the manufactures trying to find more ways to cut corners and manufacturing costs.
In the old days the $ could go to improving the product, now they have to cut product costs and pay a huge wage and benefits.
 
Got a Honda powered Troy Built mower this year that replaced a B&S , and its night and day difference, the Honda is quiter and feels like it runs bit smoother too. Not sure if I would spend the money for a full Honda mower, dem are pricey.
 
Tecumsehs aren't bad engines, they just aren't as resistant to neglect. Don't keep the oil full or keep old stale fuel in them? You will definitely have issues. They have carb issues because the design of the carbs is actually easier on fuel, but means they clog up faster.

A lot of their vertical shaft engines actually have a primitive oil pressure lube system. Their older engines were very well made, and like anything else they got cheaper when the company cut costs. Hondas are great but no manufacturer is without it's flaws.
 
Honda's, yeah got to love that rubberish timing belt running in all the crankcase oil. I'm sure that is going to last forever.
 
Honda's, yeah got to love that rubberish timing belt running in all the crankcase oil. I'm sure that is going to last forever.

This is my least favorite thing about Honda's small engines, the timing belt. They probably went with a belt to reduce the noise, to make a lawn mower reasonably quiet :censored:

Unfortunately, Subaru stopped making small engines a few years ago, because they were the only OHC with a timing chain. Yamaha has a chain-driven OHC engine listed on their site, but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere. Do you know of any small engines with OHC and a timing chain? :unsure:

That said, Honda makes good stuff, and the timing belt should last as long as it needs to. If I bought a Honda engine lawn mower, I'll probably use it until the timing belt breaks, then it will be replaced with a battery powered mower :sneaky:

Almost any OHC or OHV would be an upgrade from the Briggs and Stratton flathead I have now :D
 
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