A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
As far as the 0W10 oil........
Honda has developed a 0W-10
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Originally Posted By: Geonerd
The appropriate viscosity all depends on the bearing design and engine RPM range. Starting with a current 4 banger, a modest increase in the journal surface area should allow 10W oil to work perfectly well.
MotoGP and EffWun engines turn ~19K and make gobs of power, yet run absurdly thin oils (somewhere around 0W, I think) with great success.
Yes, absolutely, and the ability of the oil to correctly lube the rings & cylinders and the cam lobes & lifters, as well as the other parts.
So...how about an oil that is 5.1 cSt @ 100°C in a 90,000 hp engine?....Mobil Jet Oil II in a 767 engine. Yes different, but still.... It is not about just the oil viscosity but about the engine's engineering to use a certain oil viscosity.
The appropriate viscosity all depends on the bearing design and engine RPM range. Starting with a current 4 banger, a modest increase in the journal surface area should allow 10W oil to work perfectly well.
MotoGP and EffWun engines turn ~19K and make gobs of power, yet run absurdly thin oils (somewhere around 0W, I think) with great success.
Yes, absolutely, and the ability of the oil to correctly lube the rings & cylinders and the cam lobes & lifters, as well as the other parts.
So...how about an oil that is 5.1 cSt @ 100°C in a 90,000 hp engine?....Mobil Jet Oil II in a 767 engine. Yes different, but still.... It is not about just the oil viscosity but about the engine's engineering to use a certain oil viscosity.
Jet's completely different.
I 5.6cst @ 100C on 935,000shp, with 210 tonnes of spinny stuff at 3,000RPM (we control bearing inlet temp to 45C,and exit to around 80C)....
It's lightly additised, lightly working, and wouldn't survive minutes in an IC engine.
I 5.6cst @ 100C on 935,000shp, with 210 tonnes of spinny stuff at 3,000RPM (we control bearing inlet temp to 45C,and exit to around 80C)....
It's lightly additised, lightly working, and wouldn't survive minutes in an IC engine.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
Originally Posted By: 96 Cherokee
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
He passed away sometime back. It was very unfortunate and unexpected if i remember correctly.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
He passed away sometime back. It was very unfortunate and unexpected if i remember correctly.
Originally Posted By: 4ever4d
Originally Posted By: 96 Cherokee
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
He passed away sometime back. It was very unfortunate and unexpected if i remember correctly.
I had no idea.
He was a major contributor in the bypass filter forum, and will be missed. Thanks for the information.
Originally Posted By: 96 Cherokee
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
He passed away sometime back. It was very unfortunate and unexpected if i remember correctly.
I had no idea.
Originally Posted By: 96 Cherokee
Originally Posted By: 4ever4d
Originally Posted By: 96 Cherokee
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
He passed away sometime back. It was very unfortunate and unexpected if i remember correctly.
I had no idea.
He was a major contributor in the bypass filter forum, and will be missed. Thanks for the information.
same here.. ;(
Originally Posted By: 4ever4d
Originally Posted By: 96 Cherokee
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
A blast from the past. I miss Gary, he was an asset to the board.
As far as the 0W10 oil........
What happened to Gary? I did a search and did not see anything about him leaving the forum.
He passed away sometime back. It was very unfortunate and unexpected if i remember correctly.
I had no idea.
same here.. ;(
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I'm surprised Ford hasn't beaten them to this punch. Honda is a natural for this, but Ford really started a market revolution with going lighter.
Interesting comment there. I thought Honda was first in 2000 with the insight, and then 2001 with the Civic Hybrid, both running the 0w-20. Was Ford earlier?
I'm surprised Ford hasn't beaten them to this punch. Honda is a natural for this, but Ford really started a market revolution with going lighter.
Interesting comment there. I thought Honda was first in 2000 with the insight, and then 2001 with the Civic Hybrid, both running the 0w-20. Was Ford earlier?
Of course Ford just spec's the 5W-20 grade but I'm not sure which Company was actually first to specify a 20wt oil for year round use but I think it was around the year 2000 for both Ford and Honda followed a year or so later by Toyota.
The 0W-20 grade wasn't specified in North America until many years later in 2009 I believe, although Mobil 1 0W-20 first hit the market in around 2003 IIRC.
The 0W-20 grade wasn't specified in North America until many years later in 2009 I believe, although Mobil 1 0W-20 first hit the market in around 2003 IIRC.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Of course Ford just spec's the 5W-20 grade but I'm not sure which Company was actually first to specify a 20wt oil for year round use but I think it was around the year 2000 for both Ford and Honda followed a year or so later by Toyota.
The 0W-20 grade wasn't specified in North America until many years later in 2009 I believ...
You just lost me. First you say 2000, and you say 2009.
Oh and what Toyota models used 20 weight back in 2002?
Of course Ford just spec's the 5W-20 grade but I'm not sure which Company was actually first to specify a 20wt oil for year round use but I think it was around the year 2000 for both Ford and Honda followed a year or so later by Toyota.
The 0W-20 grade wasn't specified in North America until many years later in 2009 I believ...
You just lost me. First you say 2000, and you say 2009.
Oh and what Toyota models used 20 weight back in 2002?
Honda first spec'd the 5W-20 grade in around the the year 2000.
The 0W-20 grade wasn't first spec'd until 2009.
The 0W-20 grade wasn't first spec'd until 2009.
You forgot about the insight and civic hybrids running 0w-20 since 2000 and 2001. (shrug) I guess you thought I was fibbing. Whatever.
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Originally Posted By: blackman777
You forgot about the insight and civic hybrids running 0w-20 since 2000 and 2001. (shrug) I guess you thought I was fibbing. Whatever.
For a guy who's first few posts were:
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Delvac 1 is only 3 time s thicket than the 5w-20. Go ahead.
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Currently running Mobil Super synthetic. Is there any advantage to running a Blended oil that is a mixed natural and synthetic oil? Does that % of natural oil pulled from Arabia provide any extra protection that pure synthoil (from a lab) does not provide?
Originally Posted By: blackman777
find it funny that people think the original poster is lying. Cars DO sometimes have sudden failures. Maybe a seal burst open internally, and the great-running car started losing a quart of oil every 200 miles. It isn't inconceivable. It doesn't mean the OP is lying.
I had a Saturn that was dead within a month. It started by losing power on the highway (top speed 70). The mechanic looked at it & said cylinder 2 had lost compression; bad seal. I kept driving until it died abut 5 weeks later. Towed it to the garage and he said now 2 cylinders lost compression. Cars sometimes die suddenly. (Now I guess yu'l accuse me of lying too.)
(2) Looking at the used oil analyses it amazes me that you guys run 20,000 miles. That guy with the S2000 went 40,000 miles!
(3) It looks to me that long oil changes are NOT a problem and don;t see why you Linearray Nut think they are. Or why you're hating on the guy just because he posted his oil analysis. Over in Europe new cars are told to go 20,000 miles between changes, and the manufacturer would not make the recommendation if it were not possible. (Well maybe tey would if they wanted to kill cars & sell more units; but I doubt it.)
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Meets the requirements of _____. Does it say dexos or some obscure GM1999-type number?
What's the diff between Group 3 and 3+ oil?
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Which should I use for a brand-new Chevy Equinox V6. Oh and it has an oil change indicator. Does tht thing actually monitor the oil quality? How does it do that? With a sensor? I'm inclined to ignore it and just do 7500 miles each time (like my old 1999 Chevy).
Oh and I've always used Pennzoil conventional oil, so I'm leaning that way.
Then:
Originally Posted By: blackman777
So that's 12,000 miles. The problem with the oil life "monitor" is that it assumes the engine is working perfectly. As the engine ages (200,000 miles) it will not be running as clean, and the oil will be getting dirty faster, but the OLM will still be calculating 12,000 miles, even though the oil is full of engine blowby & wore-out at 7000.
Originally Posted By: blackman777
I have a Honda, and while it says 0w-20 is preferred, it also says 5w-20 or 5w30 can be run without voiding the warranty. I suspect your Civic is the same.
RedLine's SAE20 oil has no viscosity modifiers and yet it is a 5W-20 by default. And Amsoil told me via email that its 0w-20 has viscosity modifiers, but its 5w-20 has none (hence a lower pricetag). I think it would be a good guess that the other brands (Mobil, Pennzoil, etc) have no VIMs in their 5w-20s too. Or else very close to zero.
I would rather use a 5w-20 that has no VIMs than the 0w-20 that has them. That way I avoid VIM burn-off that coats the internals with varnish. Which is why I don't understand why many posters here are enamored with the 0W oils.
IMHO
You've gone from apparently not having a clue to speaking with authority on many subjects on this board. So, are we being trolled or what's the story here?
You forgot about the insight and civic hybrids running 0w-20 since 2000 and 2001. (shrug) I guess you thought I was fibbing. Whatever.
For a guy who's first few posts were:
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Delvac 1 is only 3 time s thicket than the 5w-20. Go ahead.
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Currently running Mobil Super synthetic. Is there any advantage to running a Blended oil that is a mixed natural and synthetic oil? Does that % of natural oil pulled from Arabia provide any extra protection that pure synthoil (from a lab) does not provide?
Originally Posted By: blackman777
find it funny that people think the original poster is lying. Cars DO sometimes have sudden failures. Maybe a seal burst open internally, and the great-running car started losing a quart of oil every 200 miles. It isn't inconceivable. It doesn't mean the OP is lying.
I had a Saturn that was dead within a month. It started by losing power on the highway (top speed 70). The mechanic looked at it & said cylinder 2 had lost compression; bad seal. I kept driving until it died abut 5 weeks later. Towed it to the garage and he said now 2 cylinders lost compression. Cars sometimes die suddenly. (Now I guess yu'l accuse me of lying too.)
(2) Looking at the used oil analyses it amazes me that you guys run 20,000 miles. That guy with the S2000 went 40,000 miles!
(3) It looks to me that long oil changes are NOT a problem and don;t see why you Linearray Nut think they are. Or why you're hating on the guy just because he posted his oil analysis. Over in Europe new cars are told to go 20,000 miles between changes, and the manufacturer would not make the recommendation if it were not possible. (Well maybe tey would if they wanted to kill cars & sell more units; but I doubt it.)
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Meets the requirements of _____. Does it say dexos or some obscure GM1999-type number?
What's the diff between Group 3 and 3+ oil?
Originally Posted By: blackman777
Which should I use for a brand-new Chevy Equinox V6. Oh and it has an oil change indicator. Does tht thing actually monitor the oil quality? How does it do that? With a sensor? I'm inclined to ignore it and just do 7500 miles each time (like my old 1999 Chevy).
Oh and I've always used Pennzoil conventional oil, so I'm leaning that way.
Then:
Originally Posted By: blackman777
So that's 12,000 miles. The problem with the oil life "monitor" is that it assumes the engine is working perfectly. As the engine ages (200,000 miles) it will not be running as clean, and the oil will be getting dirty faster, but the OLM will still be calculating 12,000 miles, even though the oil is full of engine blowby & wore-out at 7000.
Originally Posted By: blackman777
I have a Honda, and while it says 0w-20 is preferred, it also says 5w-20 or 5w30 can be run without voiding the warranty. I suspect your Civic is the same.
RedLine's SAE20 oil has no viscosity modifiers and yet it is a 5W-20 by default. And Amsoil told me via email that its 0w-20 has viscosity modifiers, but its 5w-20 has none (hence a lower pricetag). I think it would be a good guess that the other brands (Mobil, Pennzoil, etc) have no VIMs in their 5w-20s too. Or else very close to zero.
I would rather use a 5w-20 that has no VIMs than the 0w-20 that has them. That way I avoid VIM burn-off that coats the internals with varnish. Which is why I don't understand why many posters here are enamored with the 0W oils.
IMHO
You've gone from apparently not having a clue to speaking with authority on many subjects on this board. So, are we being trolled or what's the story here?
Baiting?
Looking for a response?
Sorry no.
Looking for a response?
Sorry no.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The 0W-20 grade wasn't specified in North America until many years later in 2009 I believe, although Mobil 1 0W-20 first hit the market in around 2003 IIRC.
0w-20 is the originally specified oil grade in my 2000 Honda Insight. Honda brand 0w20 has been around since my car was made.
-Bryan
The 0W-20 grade wasn't specified in North America until many years later in 2009 I believe, although Mobil 1 0W-20 first hit the market in around 2003 IIRC.
0w-20 is the originally specified oil grade in my 2000 Honda Insight. Honda brand 0w20 has been around since my car was made.
-Bryan
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