Honda 9speed issues and CRV Vibration

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Not sure what Honda is expereinceing on the 9spd ZF, but Jeep had the snap ring issue( that one is on ZF) and software update to improve the shifting.

from Jeep boards they have pretty much solved the problems, mid2014 got the new snap ring design and and the new firmware has pretty much eliminated any of the other complaints.

I drove a rental 2015 Cherokee and I thought it was a great transmission, couldnt tell it was shifting and got over 31 mpg in some around town and highway driving in a 4wd. That is good IMHO, also I have the ZF 8spd in my Overland and that thing rocks behind the hemi! Best trans I have ever driven.

CVT's I wouldnt waste my time, throw away transmissions.
 
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It's difficult to keep these threads factual, but FWIW: WRT to the 2016 Pilot, the 9-speed transmission was replaced only once. That fact is stated clearly in the linked MT article. While no one wants to have to deal with a failing transmission, the article makes it clear that Honda replaced the transmission as soon as the shifting problem was confirmed.

WRT the vibration issues experienced by CR-V owners, the issues has been the subject of a year-long thread on www.CRVOC.com (the CR-V Owners Club board). Honda responded with a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) (three, actually), to address the three types of vibrations that owners of 2015 CR-Vs were experiencing. The "fixes" -- described in detail on CRVOC.com -- appear to be effective. This is reflected in the fact that complains to the board peaked three months ago, and there haven't been more than a handful since then.
 
From my experience when the Germans supply a product it's really a Chinese sourced product.
That goes for all the other industries as well.
The fall of many Japanese products came to be with the sourcing of Chinese wares.
The $$$$$$$$$ rules!
 
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
From my experience when the Germans supply a product it's really a Chinese sourced product.
That goes for all the other industries as well.
The fall of many Japanese products came to be with the sourcing of Chinese wares.
The $$$$$$$$$ rules!


Ahh

The ZF 8 spd 8HP70 and 8HP90 behind all the hemis are ZF produced in South Carolina

The ZF 9spd is liscensed and produced in Chrysler Kokomo Ind, nothing to do with Chinese.

Honda probably sources from ZF since there volumes are miniscule compared to Jeep/FCA.
 
Originally Posted By: Falken
I think it is stupid all the problems that Honda has with it's transmissions.

They should just bite the bullet, find the best trans available, and stick to it.

People at this point would be happier with a rock solid 5 speed automatic.

It is always this desperate push for better MPG.

You can buy a lot of gas for the cost of replacing a transmission.


Bingo!
 
What about the balance of owners who drive around happy and fine with them?

I think all vehicle makers have problems with a minority of what they sell. If the majority did no one would return to that make.
 
I had no idea a conventional 9spd AT was an option for a 2015 CRV? Thought they were all CVT.
 
In the actual magazine issue they first said it might be a unibody weld, then they changed the fluid then changed the transmission but the new one didn't function with the existing control module and a new one was ordered. It also states the new one isn't crisp and is "sloppy".

He says "Last night, leaving work, I toed down the throttle and nothing. Kept going. Still no movement. I finally just matted the throttle to the floor (for about a half-second) and lifted immediately (foot covering brake pedal). It finally lurched forward.” so it's still not great. If this is my family hauler and I paid almost $50,000 I wouldn't be happy and would be worried about long term reliability.

what's next defending the early 2000 odyssey transmission or the first Nissan CVT
 
Originally Posted By: JTK
I had no idea a conventional 9spd AT was an option for a 2015 CRV? Thought they were all CVT.


It's not the Pilot has the 9 speed and the CRV has the CVT.
 
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
Honda....the most trusted car company.
Why...after the airbag deaths and decades of transmission failures?
I guess people believe the hype,and don't know until they experience it themselves.
Everything is overcomplicated,overpriced garbage these days.Bring on the old cars.....


Airbag issues are spread across multiple car companies, not just Honda. Mind you Honda is one of the only ones who is actually stepping up and being proactive about the situation. They stand behind their product unlike many other vehicle manufacturers. They have had issues past and present, but they come up with fixes for them and often times completely pay for the repair, even after warranty expires. This is why they are the most trusted car company.
 
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
Honda....the most trusted car company.
Why...after the airbag deaths and decades of transmission failures?
I guess people believe the hype,and don't know until they experience it themselves.
Everything is overcomplicated,overpriced garbage these days.Bring on the old cars.....


Airbag issues are spread across multiple car companies, not just Honda. Mind you Honda is one of the only ones who is actually stepping up and being proactive about the situation. They stand behind their product unlike many other vehicle manufacturers. They have had issues past and present, but they come up with fixes for them and often times completely pay for the repair, even after warranty expires. This is why they are the most trusted car company.


They actually ignored it and tried to cover it up and dismiss it early on. Only after people started getting shrapnel in the Forehead and it was impossible to cover up, they switched tactics to blame soley takata

From NYTIME 1/8/2015
"In a sharp escalation of penalties against automakers that skirt safety laws, the nation’s top auto safety agency has fined Honda Motor a record $70 million for grossly underreporting fatal accidents and injuries to the government, regulators said on Thursday.

The penalty doubles a fine levied against General Motors last year as the agency, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, faces scrutiny for being slow to identify safety problems and failing to use the full extent of its legal powers.

Honda, the agency said, broke the law in two ways, each earning the maximum fine of $35 million. It did not report hundreds of death and injury claims to the agency for the last 11 years nor did it report certain warranty and other claims in the same period. Both types of reports are considered crucial to helping regulators identify potential safety defects."

"The unfiled claims included eight, including one involving a death, for problems with airbags made by the Japanese supplier Takata, which itself has been embroiled in a safety crisis that has spurred the recall of millions of vehicles worldwide. The airbags can explode violently when they deploy, sending metal fragments flying into the cabin; five deaths have been linked to the defect."
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Falken
I think it is stupid all the problems that Honda has with it's transmissions.

They should just bite the bullet, find the best trans available, and stick to it.

People at this point would be happier with a rock solid 5 speed automatic.

It is always this desperate push for better MPG.

You can buy a lot of gas for the cost of replacing a transmission.


Bingo!


I used to think the same thing. 10 years ago, when Honda was having some trouble with their 5-speeds, I thought, "since transmission behavior is pretty much all software programming now anyway, why not source a commodity like a transmission from someone who knows what they're doing, like ZF?"

Now that they're buying transmissions from someone else, they're having issues again. Ironic.
 
I used to think the same thing. 10 years ago, when Honda was having some trouble with their 5-speeds, I thought, "since transmission behavior is pretty much all software programming now anyway, why not source a commodity like a transmission from someone who knows what they're doing, like ZF?"

Now that they're buying transmissions from someone else, they're having issues again. Ironic.


Except the issues are that ZF does not create the firmware for the application, the OEM using it does and Honda is probably discovering all
things they could not anticipate and will have to issue TSB's to correct them with updated firmware.
 
Originally Posted By: Falken
I think it is stupid all the problems that Honda has with it's transmissions.

They should just bite the bullet, find the best trans available, and stick to it.

People at this point would be happier with a rock solid 5 speed automatic.

It is always this desperate push for better MPG.

You can buy a lot of gas for the cost of replacing a transmission.


If it weren't for regulators pushing for fuel economy/CO2 improvements we wouldn't be seeing CVTs, 8/9/10 speed automatics, DCTs, widespread use of turbocharging, DI, etc.

Not that there isn't a greater good objective here, but these mandates have made products more complex, probably less-reliable and certainly more expensive to fix. I expect the automakers were happier with older regulations, too.

And it doesn't end with automobiles. Has anyone noticed the life span of a modern, efficient refrigerator is perhaps 1/3 or 1/2 of those made 20 years ago?

In these cases, "more-efficient" may not translate into "more-economical" in the hands of the consumer.
 
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Falken
I think it is stupid all the problems that Honda has with it's transmissions.

They should just bite the bullet, find the best trans available, and stick to it.

People at this point would be happier with a rock solid 5 speed automatic.

It is always this desperate push for better MPG.

You can buy a lot of gas for the cost of replacing a transmission.


Bingo!


I used to think the same thing. 10 years ago, when Honda was having some trouble with their 5-speeds, I thought, "since transmission behavior is pretty much all software programming now anyway, why not source a commodity like a transmission from someone who knows what they're doing, like ZF?"

Now that they're buying transmissions from someone else, they're having issues again. Ironic.


Call me an old timer, 9 speed A/T in a car is too many gears. When these 9 speed ZF transmissions start logging 300K + miles like many of the transmissions they're replacing did I'm all ears. Until then, no thanks for me.
 
I still bleed Honda blue but I'm looking for a way out of my '15 TLX and into a BMW 340i because of the transmission itself and how hard it has been to get the service folks to do anything about it (for the TLX the '16 has a new version of the trans. which is MUCH better than mine and several '15 owners were getting theirs replaced with the new version but they had to jump through a few hoops which I refuse to do). So while there are many Honda/Acura products I would stand behind and recommend all day long, for the first time in my adult life, I'm on my way to trying a different brand because of this transmission and my overall experience with it.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Call me an old timer, 9 speed A/T in a car is too many gears. When these 9 speed ZF transmissions start logging 300K + miles like many of the transmissions they're replacing did I'm all ears. Until then, no thanks for me.

Who keeps a car that long? and really I don't want to pay the extra $$$$$$ for one that does that does. It really boils down to that.
 
Well, I did take a VW to over 300k. I did pay "extra" for it, bought a vehicle I liked, with the options I liked; and drove it according to the plan I had: 10yr/300k.

I haven't had a plan to do that since, might be the only time I ever do that...
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Call me an old timer, 9 speed A/T in a car is too many gears. When these 9 speed ZF transmissions start logging 300K + miles like many of the transmissions they're replacing did I'm all ears. Until then, no thanks for me.

Who keeps a car that long? and really I don't want to pay the extra $$$$$$ for one that does that does. It really boils down to that.


Ok, point taken, then lets see some 9 speed transmissions with 200K problem free miles on them. There are plenty of members here with cars logging 200K miles or better. A sample size of say five thousand cars. That would give a pretty good idea of how well they hold up.

While we're at a sample of CVT transmissions with 200K problem free miles would be nice to see too.
 
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