Honda 9speed issues and CRV Vibration

[AirgunSavant]

I did not say the trans were made in China.
I was suggesting that things are not always produced where the maker claims.
There is a gun on the market which has a breech stamped made in the USA. Very clever.
Only that part on the gun is made here. The rest is made in China.


Originally Posted By: VNTS
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
From my experience when the Germans supply a product it's really a Chinese sourced product.
That goes for all the other industries as well.
The fall of many Japanese products came to be with the sourcing of Chinese wares.
The $$$$$$$$$ rules!


Ahh

The ZF 8 spd 8HP70 and 8HP90 behind all the hemis are ZF produced in South Carolina

The ZF 9spd is liscensed and produced in Chrysler Kokomo Ind, nothing to do with Chinese.

Honda probably sources from ZF since there volumes are miniscule compared to Jeep/FCA.

 

[demarpaint]

I did a little reading this morning and stumbled upon some old news, and more recent news. It's sad. Jeep isn't the only company having problems with the transmission. It makes me wonder if it was ready for prime time.

August 2015: After multiple failed software updates, a lawsuit was filed against FCA in August 2015. The lawsuit says that the “Cherokee transmissions are so riddled with problems that Jeep dealers have no idea how to make repairs.” Even the dealerships can’t argue that point.

In addition, the lawsuit says owners have lost use of their car because they’re constantly being “repaired” and the lack of a fix greatly diminishes the vehicle’s value.

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In August 2016, ZF North America announced they were recalling 505,000 transmissions with sensors that can suddenly shift the vehicle into neutral. From CarComplaints.com:

“The problem is caused by a terminal crimping issue with 26-way connectors on the sensor cluster harness assemblies. The company says the star-shaped connector was not properly crimped and the problem wasn’t caught at the factory because of a manual setting used for measurements.”

ZF hasn’t mentioned which makes or models are affected yet, but said it will be vehicles equipped with a transmission called 9HP48 or 948TE.

 

[supton]

That info is conflicting--the sensors cause the trans to shift into neutral? But it's a wire crimp issue?

Sounds like a wiring issue, and its compounded by a programming glitch--communication is lost with a sensor, and a less than graceful response to the failure occurs.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: supton
That info is conflicting--the sensors cause the trans to shift into neutral? But it's a wire crimp issue?

Sounds like a wiring issue, and its compounded by a programming glitch--communication is lost with a sensor, and a less than graceful response to the failure occurs.


The first paragraph mentions but doesn't list, several problems. The second, is conflicting as you say. Either way, from the looks of it they have their hands full with problems.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Ok, point taken, then lets see some 9 speed transmissions with 200K problem free miles on them. There are plenty of members here with cars logging 200K miles or better. A sample size of say five thousand cars. That would give a pretty good idea of how well they hold up.

Not disagreeing but if like 95% (two standard deviations) successfully last x miles that's what they are shooting for. I am guessing that 80,000 milesis two standard deviations and 100,000 miles would be like one standard. That is 95% make it to 80,000 miles (past warranty), and 68% make it to 100K miles. Could be better than that.

Not saying that's good or bad, its engineering reality.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Ok, point taken, then lets see some 9 speed transmissions with 200K problem free miles on them. There are plenty of members here with cars logging 200K miles or better. A sample size of say five thousand cars. That would give a pretty good idea of how well they hold up.

Not disagreeing but if like 95% (two standard deviations) successfully last x miles that's what they are shooting for. I am guessing that 80,000 milesis two standard deviations and 100,000 miles would be like one standard. That is 95% make it to 80,000 miles (past warranty), and 68% make it to 100K miles. Could be better than that.

Not saying that's good or bad, its engineering reality.


I hear ya. After doing some additional reading of the complaints, and driving them, I'll pass. In fact we did. They claim the 2016's are much better, which to me means give it some more time, it's still too early to tell.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint

I hear ya. After doing some additional reading of the complaints, and driving them, I'll pass. In fact we did. They claim the 2016's are much better, which to me means give it some more time, it's still too early to tell.

Probably smart move.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

I hear ya. After doing some additional reading of the complaints, and driving them, I'll pass. In fact we did. They claim the 2016's are much better, which to me means give it some more time, it's still too early to tell.

Probably smart move.

We thought so.

 

[javacontour]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Call me an old timer, 9 speed A/T in a car is too many gears. When these 9 speed ZF transmissions start logging 300K + miles like many of the transmissions they're replacing did I'm all ears. Until then, no thanks for me.

Who keeps a car that long? and really I don't want to pay the extra $$$$$$ for one that does that does. It really boils down to that.


Ok, point taken, then lets see some 9 speed transmissions with 200K problem free miles on them. There are plenty of members here with cars logging 200K miles or better. A sample size of say five thousand cars. That would give a pretty good idea of how well they hold up.

While we're at a sample of CVT transmissions with 200K problem free miles would be nice to see too.


Well, we are at 150K on oilBabe's 2010 Nissan Altima. Probably drop the pan and replace the 5 quarts of NS-2 that comes out of it again next spring (2nd service for us)

That's all I've done, one fluid refresh.

I don't like it, as I'm a stickshift guy, but I rarely drive her car, so it's not really a problem for me.

We'll be at 200k in 24-30 months at this rate.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: javacontour
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Call me an old timer, 9 speed A/T in a car is too many gears. When these 9 speed ZF transmissions start logging 300K + miles like many of the transmissions they're replacing did I'm all ears. Until then, no thanks for me.

Who keeps a car that long? and really I don't want to pay the extra $$$$$$ for one that does that does. It really boils down to that.


Ok, point taken, then lets see some 9 speed transmissions with 200K problem free miles on them. There are plenty of members here with cars logging 200K miles or better. A sample size of say five thousand cars. That would give a pretty good idea of how well they hold up.

While we're at a sample of CVT transmissions with 200K problem free miles would be nice to see too.


Well, we are at 150K on oilBabe's 2010 Nissan Altima. Probably drop the pan and replace the 5 quarts of NS-2 that comes out of it again next spring (2nd service for us)

That's all I've done, one fluid refresh.

I don't like it, as I'm a stickshift guy, but I rarely drive her car, so it's not really a problem for me.

We'll be at 200k in 24-30 months at this rate.



Good to hear! I don't think there are many 9 speeds owners on the board that have owned one long enough to log those miles yet.