High Quality Two Cycle Oils

[SuperSalad]

How would you even guess at base stock composition via ICP analysis? Or did you mean in combination with the others? Even then I don't know how you would do that, honest question and just wondering. X-ray the same question.

Sorry, that was unclear. FT-IR would be the key to guessing a base stock composition. The others would be for parsing additive types and amounts. Those are much much more useful for 4-stroke and diesel engine oils and gear oils.

Pertaining to this topic though, ICP and EDXRF wouldn't be too useful considering the non-metallic nature of a most of the additives used for 2-stroke oils.

 

[Coldsmoke]

So you have nothing then to substantiate your conclusion that we “have something” that was better than nothing.

Here's the bottom line. You offer absolutely no value what so ever to this post.
Instead of telling me who to call or where to go to get better data, all you want to do is bicker.
Typical nva.
No Value Added.

 

[Coldsmoke]

I doubt Blackstone claims any such thing. If you asked what Labs can do an analysis for $30.00 there are many that can do this oil testing for basic oil properties.

You have to do what is known as Chemical Forensics Analyses (CFA) which is a comprehensive analysis of all organic, organo-metallic and inorganic components in a formulation, and is used not only in tribology but is also in the pharmaceutical and personal care industries.

CFA labs use instrumentation far beyond what the Blackstone-type labs have in inventory. A typical CFA analysis runs upwards of $500.00 depending on what you're looking for, and may include various molecular analyses such as:

Ionization Mass Mass Spectral Analysis (EI MS),
Carbon and Hydrogen Magnetic Resonance analyses (C-NMR and H-MNR),
Raman,
UV-visible and
Infrared analysis such such as Fourier Transform Infrared (FT-IR).

https://www.spectrosci.com/knowledge-center/techniques/infrared-spectroscopy/,;

Then you have to have knowledge of these molecular spectra and be able to interpret them.

Since you're doubting what's a mere

I doubt Blackstone claims any such thing. If you asked what Labs can do an analysis for $30.00 there are many that can do this oil testing for basic oil properties.

You have to do what is known as Chemical Forensics Analyses (CFA) which is a comprehensive analysis of all organic, organo-metallic and inorganic components in a formulation, and is used not only in tribology but is also in the pharmaceutical and personal care industries.

CFA labs use instrumentation far beyond what the Blackstone-type labs have in inventory. A typical CFA analysis runs upwards of $500.00 depending on what you're looking for, and may include various molecular analyses such as:

Ionization Mass Mass Spectral Analysis (EI MS),
Carbon and Hydrogen Magnetic Resonance analyses (C-NMR and H-MNR),
Raman,
UV-visible and
Infrared analysis such such as Fourier Transform Infrared (FT-IR).

https://www.spectrosci.com/knowledge-center/techniques/infrared-spectroscopy/,;

Then you have to have knowledge of these molecular spectra and be able to interpret them.

I have no intent proving to you what Samir Kharbas at Blackstone told me regarding determining the composition of Base stocks but you are more than welcome to give him a call @ 260-744-2380.
Also, thank you for providing information and where to go or what to look for if I pursue researching this any farther.

 

[MolaKule]

Since you're doubting what's a mere

I have no intent proving to you what Samir Kharbas at Blackstone told me regarding determining the composition of Base stocks but you are more than welcome to give him a call @ 260-744-2380.
Also, thank you for providing information and where to go or what to look for if I pursue researching this any farther.

What was the exact question you asked him? If they have limited instrumentation, then Blackstone cannot determine the base oil components in a mix. The totality of instrumentation I mentioned above allows one to determine the molecular makeup AND the number of molecules in a compound.

My thinking is you didn't ask the right question. If they only use ICP-OES instrumentation (such as the Agilent 5XXX series), then THEY, Blackstone, cannot determine base oil composition.

For all of the CFA analyses types mentioned above one has to a have a comprehensive set of spectral charts for comparison. In some cases where there is no spectra, we have to spike an oil with a known element or compound and generate our own spectra for the one or more spectra that are missing.

 

[Kamele0N]

I'm glad you think so.. so you can look elsewhere whenever you would like.
Cheers troll

The only thing that you can assume from these Blackstone results up there is whether one oil is JASO FC or FD....depending on ammount of detergents in particular analasys...

FC has TBN usually @ around 1.1....while FD has TBN @ around 2.x.....

EDIT: and I have seen TC-WIII oil with up to TBN 10....but dont know if that is "by, standard" or just marketing....?

Look up that TS: https://www.arecalubrifiants.com/en...ed-2-and-4-strokes-engine/2-stroke-hors-bord/