High Performance Lubricants No VII series engine oils.

[buster]

Honda 1.5T owners taken note, these may be your oils!

 

[JHZR2]

I do have to wonder if these oils would be the best for a hybrid. The no VII oils are a tad thicker when cold. Depending on climate, i'm thinking all the stop starts of a hybrid, that a true multigrade oil with some VII( like the HPL premium) might be better. Unless you are in a warm climate.

But all but one of those is “hot” or at least warm.

My issue is high speed driving on the interstate where start/stop still occurs. I’m confident that a primo synthetic, even if somewhat more viscous at 40C (which Id generally agree is an important parameter to keep low) is going to protect just fine at that first start in a temperate climate… while a more robust oil in small, heat soaked locations, is a beneficial compromise…

 

[JHZR2]

Being straight group IV and V base oil, I would imagine they're all in the 4-7% range for Noack.

Lab test or it’s speculation

 

[The Critic]

My hybird calls for 0W-16 which most oils found on the shelves of discount retailers have 40°C viscosity rating between 35-38 mm²/s.
This 'No VII Series' 5W-20 PCMO is 51.

Fuel economy loss will likely be noticeable. They do make a 0W16.

 

[Jetronic]

OK, when I hear the term "pour point depressants," that suggests to me that you have an oil with a fairly high viscosity, and then you insert additives that allow it to have a 0w rating. But it doesn't work that way? Or once you add them, they make the oil thinner? Or are pour point depressants a thing of the past?

Think of diesel anti gelling additives and you're not far off. You add something thzt prevents the waxes in the oil from making long chains. You don't reduce the viscosity, you prevent the oil solidifying.

 

[spasm3]

But all but one of those is “hot” or at least warm.

My issue is high speed driving on the interstate where start/stop still occurs. I’m confident that a primo synthetic, even if somewhat more viscous at 40C (which Id generally agree is an important parameter to keep low) is going to protect just fine at that first start in a temperate climate… while a more robust oil in small, heat soaked locations, is a beneficial compromise…

I understand ! Agree with you based on those driving habits.

 

[Gentleman farmer]

I personally don't see any advantage the 10W-30 would have over the 5W-30 unless the Noack is a lot lower. Normally, the inclination for people to go 10W-30 is based on the perception of it having less VII, but in this case, neither have VII.

You clearly missed the most interesting point, as a true bitoger, you must know that thicker is better.

 

[Jetronic]

I personally don't see any advantage the 10W-30 would have over the 5W-30 unless the Noack is a lot lower. Normally, the inclination for people to go 10W-30 is based on the perception of it having less VII, but in this case, neither have VII.

The one I found has 3.3% Noack and 260°C flash point.

 

[OVERKILL]

The one I found has 3.3% Noack and 260°C flash point.

Will be interesting to see what the Noack #'s are for these oils. Was that D92 or D93?

 

[Jetronic]

Will be interesting to see what the Noack #'s are for these oils. Was that D92 or D93?

DIN EN ISO 2592

open cup, so comparable to D92

 

[The Critic]

I personally don't see any advantage the 10W-30 would have over the 5W-30 unless the Noack is a lot lower. Normally, the inclination for people to go 10W-30 is based on the perception of it having less VII, but in this case, neither have VII.

Base oil viscosity would still be a hair higher, no?

 

[Jetronic]

Fuel economy loss will likely be noticeable. They do make a 0W16.

Going from Total quart 0W-30 to Red Line 20W-50 made no noticeable fuel efficiency differences in my diesel, in fact I've ran some of my highest MPG on the RedLine.

 

[Jetronic]

Base oil viscosity would still be a hair higher, no?

We can't really speak of a base oil viscosity when there's no VII, it's just oil... but yes it's a bit thicker

 

[The Critic]

Going from Total quart 0W-30 to Red Line 20W-50 made no noticeable fuel efficiency differences in my diesel, in fact I've ran some of my highest MPG on the RedLine.

Oil temps on a hybrid can stay pretty low if the vehicle is used for short in-town trips. That is where the higher viscosity will probably be most noticeable.

 

[Jetronic]

Oil temps on a hybrid can stay pretty low if the vehicle is used for short in-town trips. That is where the higher viscosity will probably be most noticeable.

Ok, but the oil temp stays low because the engine isn't running much? then oil viscosity won't matter much of the time either

 

[The Critic]

Ok, but the oil temp stays low because the engine isn't running much? then oil viscosity won't matter much of the time either

It really depends on the platform and their strategy. But compared to a conventional ICE, less run time and lower load.

 

[OVERKILL]

Base oil viscosity would still be a hair higher, no?

Not if they have the same KV100. In this case, the 10W-30 is a bit heavier, but if both don't have VII and the KV100 was the same, the only advantage would be Noack.

 

[DrDanger]

Well it took a week longer than planned but we have the No VII series of oils put together. They are consistent with the respective PCMO and Euro series.

https://www.hplubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/No-VII-Engine-Oil-PDS.pdf

Any chance of letting us know if you have di-esters or poly-oil esters in the oils, in case this isn't proprietary information.
They sure do look great.

 

[TiGeo]

I may have to grab a change's worth of the 5W30 Euro or the 10W30 Euro and give it a whirl next go around...

 

[Cujet]

I do have to wonder if these oils would be the best for a hybrid. The no VII oils are a tad thicker when cold. Depending on climate, i'm thinking all the stop starts of a hybrid, that a true multigrade oil with some VII( like the HPL premium) might be better. Unless you are in a warm climate.

hybrids are just like any other vehicle. The engine makes one cold start. I’d think these oils would be advantageous for repeated warm starts. Additionally, the added protection of a robust oil is a great way to extend engine life. Don’t forget there are plenty of hybrids with oil
consumption problems. Which seems to be the way they fail. Why not protect against what’s likely?