Good grief. I didn't run across that at the farm or the garage. I do have some brake fluid that predates DOT specs, though.
Help....mixed Hoat with OAT
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The only reason I remember it is the old can, it was in the mid 70's and the cans had to be 40 years old or more. I don't know much about the stuff either.
That is pretty dated! As far as I can remember back being a kid, there were always the jugs; there might have been something different for bulk quantities for farm use or for my uncle's Shell station. I was interested in oil containers even as a little kid, but I'm sure my uncle wouldn't have appreciated my climbing around his store room.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by Trav
What more proof does he need other than GM plastic frame LIM failures with OAT coolant. I thought you were calling it quits, what happened no new videos to run the post count up so you come back to this. LOL
Jealous of the size of my post count compared to yours.
This thread would have been a whole lot better if you bailed out any of the first 3 times you said you were done in here.
Your overly emotional repetitive rants aren't facts and your facts aren't even factual most of the time, hopefully you wise up.
Originally Posted by Trav
What more proof does he need other than GM plastic frame LIM failures with OAT coolant. I thought you were calling it quits, what happened no new videos to run the post count up so you come back to this. LOL
Jealous of the size of my post count compared to yours.
This thread would have been a whole lot better if you bailed out any of the first 3 times you said you were done in here.
Your overly emotional repetitive rants aren't facts and your facts aren't even factual most of the time, hopefully you wise up.
I have done it myself and suffered no ill fate. So there is no wising up. There are others here arguing over something they haven't done themselves. But whatever.
Originally Posted by StevieC
I have done it myself and suffered no ill fate. So there is no wising up. There are others here arguing over something they haven't done themselves. But whatever.
And plenty of others have had issues why are you more important than them?
Basically what you are saying is I put a gun to my head and fired but there was no issue so go ahead.
your "nothing broke here" argument is weak. One anecdotal story is not the be all and end all argument.
they should take away your post counter.. that is the only motivation I can think of besides you being dense or EGO that you wouldnt get what everyone else is saying. Does your ego tell you.. you really are smarter than 10 other people who posted in here.. have you considered perhaps you are in the wrong.
You are doing the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and drumming your heels on the ground, but I'm done in here now. (and I wont post 20 more times in here after saying that)
There are literally hundreds of possible OAT and HOAT compositions.. Why do you fail to realize that. OAT isnt one thing and neither is HOAT.
if by combining them they start to stank of ammonia you have a serious issue... why do you fail to see this. etc etc.. ad nauseam.
I have done it myself and suffered no ill fate. So there is no wising up. There are others here arguing over something they haven't done themselves. But whatever.
And plenty of others have had issues why are you more important than them?
Basically what you are saying is I put a gun to my head and fired but there was no issue so go ahead.
your "nothing broke here" argument is weak. One anecdotal story is not the be all and end all argument.
they should take away your post counter.. that is the only motivation I can think of besides you being dense or EGO that you wouldnt get what everyone else is saying. Does your ego tell you.. you really are smarter than 10 other people who posted in here.. have you considered perhaps you are in the wrong.
You are doing the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and drumming your heels on the ground, but I'm done in here now. (and I wont post 20 more times in here after saying that)
There are literally hundreds of possible OAT and HOAT compositions.. Why do you fail to realize that. OAT isnt one thing and neither is HOAT.
if by combining them they start to stank of ammonia you have a serious issue... why do you fail to see this. etc etc.. ad nauseam.
It was a very cool and somewhat weird place to work as a youngster starting out. The guy took over from his father in 1946 after he got out of the Navy as a LST diesel mechanic, his father had taken it over from his father who started the place in the 20's.
They had all the old equipment there like brake riveting machines, engine boring machines to bore an inline block right in the car, battery rebuilding equipment, growlers and armature lathe and loads of other stuff he taught me how to use.
His brother had owned the Studebaker dealership in town and there were loads of NOS parts for them stored there after it closed as well as a Studebaker pickup.
He was a Pennzoil dealer with lots of old cans about the place, it was like a time capsule of sorts pretty much like the Shell station you describe.
They had all the old equipment there like brake riveting machines, engine boring machines to bore an inline block right in the car, battery rebuilding equipment, growlers and armature lathe and loads of other stuff he taught me how to use.
His brother had owned the Studebaker dealership in town and there were loads of NOS parts for them stored there after it closed as well as a Studebaker pickup.
He was a Pennzoil dealer with lots of old cans about the place, it was like a time capsule of sorts pretty much like the Shell station you describe.
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by StevieC
I have done it myself and suffered no ill fate. So there is no wising up. There are others here arguing over something they haven't done themselves. But whatever.
And plenty of others have had issues why are you more important than them?
Basically what you are saying is I put a gun to my head and fired but there was no issue so go ahead.
your "nothing broke here" argument is weak. One anecdotal story is not the be all and end all argument.
they should take away your post counter.. that is the only motivation I can think of besides you being dense or EGO that you wouldnt get what everyone else is saying. Does your ego tell you.. you really are smarter than 10 other people who posted in here.. have you considered perhaps you are in the wrong.
You are doing the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and drumming your heels on the ground, but I'm done in here now. (and I wont post 20 more times in here after saying that)
There are literally hundreds of possible OAT and HOAT compositions.. Why do you fail to realize that. OAT isnt one thing and neither is HOAT.
if by combining them they start to stank of ammonia you have a serious issue... why do you fail to see this. etc etc.. ad nauseam.
I explained why they had problems in depth above. But no one cares to believe it so I didn't bother any further because I'm not going to get anywhere. I would argue that those arguing are doing the equivalent same because they haven't done the exact thing I'm telling you I did with 0 issues.
AGAIN NOT CONDONING IT, JUST SAYING THAT IT DIDN'T CAUSE AN ISSUE FOR ME AND THAT A LITTLE IN THE SYSTEM IN MY CASE WAS PERFECTLY FINE NOT TO INSTITUTE PANIC.
Originally Posted by StevieC
I have done it myself and suffered no ill fate. So there is no wising up. There are others here arguing over something they haven't done themselves. But whatever.
And plenty of others have had issues why are you more important than them?
Basically what you are saying is I put a gun to my head and fired but there was no issue so go ahead.
your "nothing broke here" argument is weak. One anecdotal story is not the be all and end all argument.
they should take away your post counter.. that is the only motivation I can think of besides you being dense or EGO that you wouldnt get what everyone else is saying. Does your ego tell you.. you really are smarter than 10 other people who posted in here.. have you considered perhaps you are in the wrong.
You are doing the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and drumming your heels on the ground, but I'm done in here now. (and I wont post 20 more times in here after saying that)
There are literally hundreds of possible OAT and HOAT compositions.. Why do you fail to realize that. OAT isnt one thing and neither is HOAT.
if by combining them they start to stank of ammonia you have a serious issue... why do you fail to see this. etc etc.. ad nauseam.
I explained why they had problems in depth above. But no one cares to believe it so I didn't bother any further because I'm not going to get anywhere. I would argue that those arguing are doing the equivalent same because they haven't done the exact thing I'm telling you I did with 0 issues.
AGAIN NOT CONDONING IT, JUST SAYING THAT IT DIDN'T CAUSE AN ISSUE FOR ME AND THAT A LITTLE IN THE SYSTEM IN MY CASE WAS PERFECTLY FINE NOT TO INSTITUTE PANIC.
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I don't think anybody saying you did not get away with it but lets try and put this to bed once and for all.
Hypothetical reader/poster just mixed coolant, finds this thread and reads you claims and theories, how much percentage of one and the other is acceptable before a negative reaction occurs? How do you quantify your answer?
A cup or two in a system containing x quarts isn't going to cut it, you would have to duplicate the heat, pressure, flow restrictions and materials used in a thermostat controlled cooling system for a specific period of time, that eliminates a heated glass jar.
Unless you can produce some testing that shows up to x percent or contamination is acceptable then you have to accept that your observations when they are applied to any other engine other than the one you had the experience with may be incorrect or just a guess. Can you accept that?
Hypothetical reader/poster just mixed coolant, finds this thread and reads you claims and theories, how much percentage of one and the other is acceptable before a negative reaction occurs? How do you quantify your answer?
A cup or two in a system containing x quarts isn't going to cut it, you would have to duplicate the heat, pressure, flow restrictions and materials used in a thermostat controlled cooling system for a specific period of time, that eliminates a heated glass jar.
Unless you can produce some testing that shows up to x percent or contamination is acceptable then you have to accept that your observations when they are applied to any other engine other than the one you had the experience with may be incorrect or just a guess. Can you accept that?
And if you read what I said above, I said. "I'M NOT CONDONING THIS"
What started this mess was the OP poured in above the same amount I did and I was fine. Again, I'm not condoning doing this on purpose but there was no reason to panic.
I can mix the 2 in a jar to prove the chemical mixing theory, I can even heat it to better replicate the cooling system temperature. That's the best I can do for now. I can't prove the material compatibility in practice in any way at this time though. But that was my argument anyway. That is was the cooling system not being compatible with HOAT due to materials used.
What started this mess was the OP poured in above the same amount I did and I was fine. Again, I'm not condoning doing this on purpose but there was no reason to panic.
I can mix the 2 in a jar to prove the chemical mixing theory, I can even heat it to better replicate the cooling system temperature. That's the best I can do for now. I can't prove the material compatibility in practice in any way at this time though. But that was my argument anyway. That is was the cooling system not being compatible with HOAT due to materials used.
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For all that does, in the absence of dissimilar metals, heating and cooling, cavitation mixing via impellers, rinse and repeat over a thousand miles...you may as just stick to saying "I believe that nothing bad will happen. I did it once and nothing bad happened, therefore nothing bad will EVER happen in the universe".
See, that's why you back yourself into these corners StevieC...you don't understand ANY of the fundamental science, but are an expert because something didn't blow up once.
Claiming that the ethylene glycols was the major ingredient, and the balance was minor, so essentially immaterial demonstrates that amply.
I once ran out of antifreeze as a poor uni student...I used a heap of used brake fluid...after all, coolant is nearly all water and "glycol"....a couple weeks in, I realised how stupid I was, and changed it to proper antifreeze and water...nothing blew up...
See, that's why you back yourself into these corners StevieC...you don't understand ANY of the fundamental science, but are an expert because something didn't blow up once.
Claiming that the ethylene glycols was the major ingredient, and the balance was minor, so essentially immaterial demonstrates that amply.
I once ran out of antifreeze as a poor uni student...I used a heap of used brake fluid...after all, coolant is nearly all water and "glycol"....a couple weeks in, I realised how stupid I was, and changed it to proper antifreeze and water...nothing blew up...
Originally Posted by Trav
They had all the old equipment there like brake riveting machines, engine boring machines to bore an inline block right in the car, battery rebuilding equipment, growlers and armature lathe and loads of other stuff he taught me how to use.
I inherited some actual Chryco points from the old Shell station when he retired and got rid of junk that went to my dad then to me.
They had all the old equipment there like brake riveting machines, engine boring machines to bore an inline block right in the car, battery rebuilding equipment, growlers and armature lathe and loads of other stuff he taught me how to use.
I inherited some actual Chryco points from the old Shell station when he retired and got rid of junk that went to my dad then to me.
Originally Posted by Shannow
The threads go round and round (as per your claim in the other thread), because you simply can't work out when to start "digging up !!!"
The threads go round and round (as per your claim in the other thread), because you simply can't work out when to start "digging up !!!"
Originally Posted by Shannow
For all that does, in the absence of dissimilar metals, heating and cooling, cavitation mixing via impellers, rinse and repeat over a thousand miles...you may as just stick to saying "I believe that nothing bad will happen. I did it once and nothing bad happened, therefore nothing bad will EVER happen in the universe".
See, that's why you back yourself into these corners StevieC...you don't understand ANY of the fundamental science, but are an expert because something didn't blow up once.
Claiming that the ethylene glycols was the major ingredient, and the balance was minor, so essentially immaterial demonstrates that amply.
I once ran out of antifreeze as a poor uni student...I used a heap of used brake fluid...after all, coolant is nearly all water and "glycol"....a couple weeks in, I realized how stupid I was, and changed it to proper antifreeze and water...nothing blew up...
Interesting. On a trip to Lake George with a good friend in my HS years he did a pre-road trip of his 73 Plymouth Satellite and left the radiator cap sitting on top of the air cleaner. We managed to get to the Northway from Long Island, [for those who know where Lake George is that's pretty far]. We overheated at about 0200, all we had was ice from the cooler, and Molson red label ale. We waited over an hour and filled the radiator with cold water and Molson. Believe it or not the radiator cap was still on the air cleaner! Nothing blew up either. LOL We flushed the cooling system out and refilled it a week later. Truth be told from what I've seen and read about mixing OAT and HOAT, the consequences could be very bad, unlike our success story with beer and ice water.
For all that does, in the absence of dissimilar metals, heating and cooling, cavitation mixing via impellers, rinse and repeat over a thousand miles...you may as just stick to saying "I believe that nothing bad will happen. I did it once and nothing bad happened, therefore nothing bad will EVER happen in the universe".
See, that's why you back yourself into these corners StevieC...you don't understand ANY of the fundamental science, but are an expert because something didn't blow up once.
Claiming that the ethylene glycols was the major ingredient, and the balance was minor, so essentially immaterial demonstrates that amply.
I once ran out of antifreeze as a poor uni student...I used a heap of used brake fluid...after all, coolant is nearly all water and "glycol"....a couple weeks in, I realized how stupid I was, and changed it to proper antifreeze and water...nothing blew up...
Interesting. On a trip to Lake George with a good friend in my HS years he did a pre-road trip of his 73 Plymouth Satellite and left the radiator cap sitting on top of the air cleaner. We managed to get to the Northway from Long Island, [for those who know where Lake George is that's pretty far]. We overheated at about 0200, all we had was ice from the cooler, and Molson red label ale. We waited over an hour and filled the radiator with cold water and Molson. Believe it or not the radiator cap was still on the air cleaner! Nothing blew up either. LOL We flushed the cooling system out and refilled it a week later. Truth be told from what I've seen and read about mixing OAT and HOAT, the consequences could be very bad, unlike our success story with beer and ice water.
Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by Trav
They had all the old equipment there like brake riveting machines, engine boring machines to bore an inline block right in the car, battery rebuilding equipment, growlers and armature lathe and loads of other stuff he taught me how to use.
I inherited some actual Chryco points from the old Shell station when he retired and got rid of junk that went to my dad then to me.
Very cool! Its amazing how an old object can invoke all kinds of memories.
Originally Posted by Trav
They had all the old equipment there like brake riveting machines, engine boring machines to bore an inline block right in the car, battery rebuilding equipment, growlers and armature lathe and loads of other stuff he taught me how to use.
I inherited some actual Chryco points from the old Shell station when he retired and got rid of junk that went to my dad then to me.
Very cool! Its amazing how an old object can invoke all kinds of memories.
Originally Posted by Shannow
For all that does, in the absence of dissimilar metals, heating and cooling, cavitation mixing via impellers, rinse and repeat over a thousand miles...you may as just stick to saying "I believe that nothing bad will happen. I did it once and nothing bad happened, therefore nothing bad will EVER happen in the universe".
See, that's why you back yourself into these corners StevieC...you don't understand ANY of the fundamental science, but are an expert because something didn't blow up once.
Claiming that the ethylene glycols was the major ingredient, and the balance was minor, so essentially immaterial demonstrates that amply.
I once ran out of antifreeze as a poor uni student...I used a heap of used brake fluid...after all, coolant is nearly all water and "glycol"....a couple weeks in, I realised how stupid I was, and changed it to proper antifreeze and water...nothing blew up...
Where did I say what you are quoting exactly?.. There you go twisting [- - - -] again.
Originally Posted by Shannow
"I believe that nothing bad will happen. I did it once and nothing bad happened, therefore nothing bad will EVER happen in the universe".
READ MY [- - - - - - -] POSTS, I SAID I'M NOT CONDONING IT, I SAID THAT "IT'S NO REASON TO PANIC" GIVEN THE AMOUNT THE OP HAD MIXED IN BECAUSE I DID THE SAME ACCIDENTALLY. THERE IS A BIG [- - - - - - -] DIFFERENCE!
For all that does, in the absence of dissimilar metals, heating and cooling, cavitation mixing via impellers, rinse and repeat over a thousand miles...you may as just stick to saying "I believe that nothing bad will happen. I did it once and nothing bad happened, therefore nothing bad will EVER happen in the universe".
See, that's why you back yourself into these corners StevieC...you don't understand ANY of the fundamental science, but are an expert because something didn't blow up once.
Claiming that the ethylene glycols was the major ingredient, and the balance was minor, so essentially immaterial demonstrates that amply.
I once ran out of antifreeze as a poor uni student...I used a heap of used brake fluid...after all, coolant is nearly all water and "glycol"....a couple weeks in, I realised how stupid I was, and changed it to proper antifreeze and water...nothing blew up...
Where did I say what you are quoting exactly?.. There you go twisting [- - - -] again.
Originally Posted by Shannow
"I believe that nothing bad will happen. I did it once and nothing bad happened, therefore nothing bad will EVER happen in the universe".
READ MY [- - - - - - -] POSTS, I SAID I'M NOT CONDONING IT, I SAID THAT "IT'S NO REASON TO PANIC" GIVEN THE AMOUNT THE OP HAD MIXED IN BECAUSE I DID THE SAME ACCIDENTALLY. THERE IS A BIG [- - - - - - -] DIFFERENCE!
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You are confusing miscibility with reactivity, its that simple.
One time, I played Russian Roulette and the gun didn't go off. So it can be played without harm.
Not condoning it, just saying that there's no need for you to panic if a member of the bratva randomly loads a bullet into a revolver and forces you to put it to your temple and pull the trigger.
Not condoning it, just saying that there's no need for you to panic if a member of the bratva randomly loads a bullet into a revolver and forces you to put it to your temple and pull the trigger.
Originally Posted by Trav
Very cool! Its amazing how an old object can invoke all kinds of memories.
I've posted some of the older oil pics on here before. One of these days, I'll take the camera out to the garage and show some archaic brake fluid and points and whatever other things that are hanging around. You don't want to know what went for scrap metal when my dad sold the farm. The goodies would break your heart.
Very cool! Its amazing how an old object can invoke all kinds of memories.
I've posted some of the older oil pics on here before. One of these days, I'll take the camera out to the garage and show some archaic brake fluid and points and whatever other things that are hanging around. You don't want to know what went for scrap metal when my dad sold the farm. The goodies would break your heart.
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