Could be, I'll have to look at the JASO documentation to see how it's laid out.I think being on the JASO list allows you to put the cert on the bottle, but is not a requirement to put it on the bottle.
Could be, I'll have to look at the JASO documentation to see how it's laid out.I think being on the JASO list allows you to put the cert on the bottle, but is not a requirement to put it on the bottle.
Why would a company go to the trouble and expense of the certification and not want the Badge on their bottle?I think being on the JASO list allows you to put the cert on the bottle, but is not a requirement to put it on the bottle.
JALOS is the standards organization and JASO is the standard. Oils are registered and listed on the 4T_EV_LIST. You can get the latest list online. The oil companies carry the liability of their data being valid as reported and going forward. The oils are registered not just by brand but by manufacturing location. Registered oils can use the official JALOS JASO Standard logo on their labels. The logo also specifies manufacturing location.They verify the oil meets the specification/requirements per the JASO documents from test data submitted by the oil manufacturer, and then "register" the oil as JASO Approved after the data and payment is submitted to JASO.
I don't see any indication in the JASO logo that indicates the oil manufacturing location.Registered oils can use the official JALOS JASO Standard logo on their labels. The logo also specifies manufacturing location.
If so, then it's hidden in a secret code that nobody could determine by looking at the logo without a decoder. Every bottle or jug of oil I've ever bought shows what country it was made in anyway, regardless if it was JASO registered or not.Don't quote me on it, but I believe it is the second through fourth digits in the registration number that are associated with a country code in the standard.
If so, then it's hidden in a secret code that nobody could determine by looking at the logo without a decoder. Every bottle or jug of oil I've ever bought shows what country it was made in anyway, regardless if it was JASO registered or not.
Country Number (three digits) The country code of the international telephone number of the submitter or the company which manufactures the four-cycle oil concerned (e.g. Japan: 081; the United States: 001; the United Kingdom: 044)
It's somewhat nebulous because it can be either "the country code of the international telephone number of the submitter or the company with manufactures the four-cycle oil". So it's not really always going to show where the oil was actually made. My bet it will pretty much always show the country where the company is located (ie, Yamaha, Castrol, Kawasaki, etc) who use the JASO logo on the oil bottle.It does certainly require a decoder if one doesn't have country codes memorized. But not too difficult to look up either.
JASO 4T Spec
Page 10, Section 4.6 "Oil Code Reference Numbers" describes the number structure. My memory was correct, and it is the second, third, and fourth digits of the registration number that reference the country of origin.
We've already established that isn't true. See the other thread, where the test apparatus is discussed.But for the wet plate clutch test JASO T903/T904 are nothing but a paperwork exercise in listing all the other certifications the oil has met.
JASO does not register an oil as "JASO Approved". It's just a registration. In fact, JASO inspects labels before registering an oil to be certain that it does not state or imply JASO approval, certification or endorsement in anyway.They verify the oil meets the specification/requirements per the JASO documents from test data submitted by the oil manufacturer, and then "register" the oil as JASO Approved after the data and payment is submitted to JASO.
True, as far as that goes.JASO does not register an oil as "JASO Approved". It's just a registration. In fact, JASO inspects labels before registering an oil to be certain that it does not state or imply JASO approval, certification or endorsement in anyway.
I basically meant "JASO approved" in the sense that the oil meets the requirements of JASO specs outlined in the JASO documentation. If the oil doesn't meet the outlined JASO requirements then it can't be approved for registration.JASO does not register an oil as "JASO Approved". It's just a registration. In fact, JASO inspects labels before registering an oil to be certain that it does not state or imply JASO approval, certification or endorsement in anyway.
Is there a link to this thread?We've already established that isn't true. See the other thread, where the test apparatus is discussed.
Buried in this thread.Is there a link to this thread?
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Why/how is motorcycle oil unique? Mobil 1 0w40 in my ATV?
Hi everyone, I was recently in BJ's and the had a great sale on Mobil 1 oil. I picked up a six pack of Mobil 1 0w40 Euro oil for $26.00. The 0w40 oil seemingly has a great reputation in the passenger car oil section. Some people even claim it to be almost a "universal" oil. I need to do a oil...bobistheoilguy.com
No Im not aware of any other HDEO's with a jaso Ma claim, auto zone you definitely pay a premium for oil over Walmart.Rotella T6 5w40, 15w40 and T4 15w40..... Shell states on the bottle that those three oils meet the JASO clutch cert.
Is anyone aware of any other HDEO that makes the same statement on their bottles?
I have three Super Walmarts within 30 miles of me and none of them have had the three oils above on the shelves for at least the last 3 months. My Rotella stash on my shelves is running very low. Sure, I found some on the shelf at Auto Zone, but they wanted $36 a bottle, rather than the $22-$24 a bottle that Walmart has it priced at.
I am aware that others have successfully used Delvac and other HDEO's with success and good reports on clutch performance, but I am just wondering if anyone besides Rotella state they meet JASO?
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Lucas Oil High Performance Synthetic 10W30 Motorcycle Oil has CC/CD as well as JASO MA/MA2 (Seems to be just Meets/exceeds, as I don't see Lucas in the 4T list.). But not cheap at $15/qt.No Im not aware of any other HDEO's with a jaso Ma claim, auto zone you definitely pay a premium for oil over Walmart.
But some auto oils might display a jaso MB claim, and thats bad for wet clutch.