I see.
Your shotgun patterns far wider than any I’ve seen - and your pellets will magically find the target even though you aim from the hip…
I’m not sure that’s a solid recommendation, for anyone in a self defense situation.
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Your shotgun patterns far wider than any I’ve seen - and your pellets will magically find the target even though you aim from the hip…
I’m not sure that’s a solid recommendation, for anyone in a self defense situation.
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This guy does a pretty good job showing the patterning and behaviour of birdshot with the various chokes, and at various distances, however his ballistic gel test doesn't compare well to the ballistic dummies used in other tests, which include organs and bones (like the video I shared earlier).
My takeaway is that there's a lot of risk in using birdshot. You could be close enough that a centre mass shot doesn't spread enough to hit anything like the neck or eyes and yet not close enough for adequate penetration to hit anything vital. You could be far enough away that the pattern is wide, but still manage to not hit the eyes, and now the guy is just pissed off and bleeding. Add things like a winter coat, glasses, hat, mask...etc and there's a very real possibility you have a very alive perp who could return fire and kill you. If he's on something like meth or crack, it's quite likely he'll just keep coming unless you manage to remove his eyeballs, which there is no guarantee of with the wide pattern approach.
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Not a question of whether it’s going to hurt, but you still need to aim it. It ain’t magic. He takes careful aim with every shot.
Even this guy says, “would it be my first choice, no” - before adding, “will it do in a pinch, absolutely”.
Even this guy says, “would it be my first choice, no” - before adding, “will it do in a pinch, absolutely”.
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Yeah, exactly. My choice would be the round that I know is going to work at any of the potential ranges, and regardless of what the guy is wearing for clothes or how fat he is. That's obviously not #8.
What about an AR style Shotgun for HD?
https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/vr80-5rd-12ga
https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/vr80-5rd-12ga
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That would be my preference.
My preference for a Home Defense shotgun would be the Benelli M4…but that’s just me…
The thread is about the Mossberg 590 and which set of ghost rings people prefer.
The Mossberg is a good shotgun.
The thread is about the Mossberg 590 and which set of ghost rings people prefer.
The Mossberg is a good shotgun.
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Yeah, I have a 500 with the fibre optic sights on it, it's a good gun.
Are those made in Turkey for RA?
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Looks like it. Looks very similar to the Derya MK10 and MK12, which are pretty darn good semis, particularly the 12. They are loosely based on the AK action IIRC.
Thanks, I thought so. I read it could take up to 500 rounds to "break them in," in order for the action to cycle properly. It caught my eye so I had a look. I wasn't familiar with them. The looks are price are great.
“FBI stats say the average gunfight includes three rounds fired over three seconds from a distance of 3 yards.”
You can’t find any civilian engagements that emptied the tube because they don’t exist in the real world. All this upgunning makes the gun less practical, it’s just macho ******** and manufacturer marketing. Spend the money on better lights, locks, and maybe a dog.
Even police shotguns used to be 4+1. 1981 Remington 870 Police. 4+1.
Everyone knows the old joke, right?
“I know I’m paranoid - but am I paranoid enough?”
So there are a couple people here who say you need an extended tube to defend your home. Knock yourselves out, it’s a free country. I don’t live in that bad a neighborhood.
As the saying is “Every bullet comes with a lawyer” I’d suggest talking to your lawyer about it.
“I know I’m paranoid - but am I paranoid enough?”
NRA publications publish self defense events in their publications every month and have for years. SigSauer Academy (who does government and LE training as well as citizen courses) studies self defense scenarios and covers their findings in their classes. For example, 70-80% of assaults occur in low light so more visible sights area recommended.
So there are a couple people here who say you need an extended tube to defend your home. Knock yourselves out, it’s a free country. I don’t live in that bad a neighborhood.
As the saying is “Every bullet comes with a lawyer” I’d suggest talking to your lawyer about it.
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I agree that in the home in close range, birdshot is an effective shot, #8 is a bit small.......especially in a HD barrel, as opposed to a 28 inch fully choked barrel.
In another shotgun I own, I have loaded #4 high velocity for an HD / predation bird setup. With a 28''barrel .
I wouldn’t bet my life on the idea that my lethal force encounter will be compliant with FBI average statistics.
If that were a good idea, then cops would only need to carry three rounds. Not a full magazine and certainly not two spare magazines, after all their encounters would be just as likely to fall into “average” FBI statistics on lethal force.
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Full choke birdshot can be tight on a long barrel - but we have been talking HD shorties …
This guy took off fast from my doorstep (rule broken) …
This was a .410 Mossberg @ 25’ away on the run …
Hit was with 4 shot Super X - obviously would not need the buckshot or slugs in the tube … This is not my recommended HD kit - but what I carried to the camp …
This guy took off fast from my doorstep (rule broken) …
This was a .410 Mossberg @ 25’ away on the run …
Hit was with 4 shot Super X - obviously would not need the buckshot or slugs in the tube … This is not my recommended HD kit - but what I carried to the camp …
A lot still are. Ours were all 4 round tubes, but we had 5 or 6 extra in a side carrier
.I wonder why.
Agreed. And that being said, how many consider a WML (weapon mounted light)? It is imperative that you see and positively identify your target. Hard to determine if that shadow lurking in the dark is family, friend, or foe without some illumination.
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