Havoline vs Phillips 66

[Doc Holiday]

I'm trying to decide between Havoline and Phillips 66 in 10w30. These are two cheap oils that look good, atleast on paper. I didn't know that Havoline had moly in it till I read it on this site. I see the HT/HS specs for the Phillips is 3.1, but I can't find any on the Havoline....The Phillips CCS blows away the Havoline. Phillips also wins the VI. Havoline wins the Flash spec.....I'm new here and I'd like your comments and thoughts. What am I missing?

 

[Jimbo]

Both will serve you well. As far as the minor differences you found, Havoline would be better at high temps and Phillips in the cold.

 

[drive it forever]

I dont think it would matter what your choice would be. I would go with Havoline because its more readily available, at least where I live anyways.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Use the Havoline. If not happy with consumption or engine noise, switch to Phillips 66 next time.

Let your engine make the decision for you.

 

[Ray H]

Availability is the key - you can't go wrong with either. I also question whether either is inherently better in either climate extreme. Havoline (and its twin corporate stablemate, Chevron Supreme) have a somewhat weaker base oil content (Group II/Group II+), but perhaps a stronger additive package. The ConocoPhillips synthetic blend oils (including Motorcraft) have at least 50% Group III with Group II remainder without having to depend as much on the additive package for shear stability. So far no BITOG UOAs on the ConocoPhillips synthetic blend 10W-30 SM oils. (someone correct me if I've missed any) I bought a load of the TropArtic, but I just finished off the last of my stock of Chevron Supreme 10W-30 SL less than 500 miles ago, so I'm out of the loop for furnishing a UOA on the TropArtic for a while. When one does show up, though, I have a gut feeling it'll send conventional oil BITOGers packing to clean out any remaining stock at Dollar Tree Stores if they are, indeed, closing out due to wholesale pricing increases. (Thank YOU so very much, OPEC!)

 

[Ray H]

Just a minor addendum about the ConocoPhillips syn-blends. Someone (can't remember whom and too lazy to do a search) posted in another thread that he filled his daughter's car with TropArtic 10W-30 and her minor oil leakage problem seems to have dried up. This got me thinking - PAOs and Group IIIs share a common trait - neither causes elastomeric seal material swelling as does Group I base oils (due to its otherwise undesirable polycyclic aromatic content). Group II based finished oils are the most common conventional oils currently, and that's what I assume the poster had been using in his daughter's car. PAO based synthetic oils have relied for some time on the addition of select esters to further enhance lubricity, as well as cling to metal parts during shutdown, and provide controlled seal swelling to avoid the leakage problems that initially "plagued" PAO oils when they were first introduced. (The phrase, "like poop through a goose" comes to mind.). If the poster's comment that his daughter's engine stopped leaking oil when he went to TropArtic syn-blend is true, that suggests to me that in addition to significant Group III content, there's also some "correction" ester content in this stuff as well. Terry's also speculated in an unrelated thread to that possibility.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Doc, how's that neighbor's Lincoln?

 

[bighead]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ray H:
....I have a gut feeling it'll send conventional oil BITOGers packing to clean out any remaining stock at Dollar Tree Stores if they are, indeed, closing out due to wholesale pricing increases. (Thank YOU so very much, OPEC!)

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Well, I was at a Dollar Tree today that just opened up last week, and picked up 20 qt's of 10-30 TA. So, if that store JUST opened up, maybe Dollar Tree will continue to sell it?

 

[brian fix]

Ray spelled it out really good ,,,both are a really good $$$$wise engine lube,,,Thanks ray for the good wisdom on these,Trop-Artic/Havoline,,,these are a good look on selecting modern day mineral oils,that can compair to the most common synthic lubes,,,,,,,,,,BL

 

[Doc Holiday]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ray H:
Availability is the key - you can't go wrong with either. I also question whether either is inherently better in either climate extreme. Havoline (and its twin corporate stablemate, Chevron Supreme) have a somewhat weaker base oil content (Group II/Group II+), but perhaps a stronger additive package. The ConocoPhillips synthetic blend oils (including Motorcraft) have at least 50% Group III with Group II remainder without having to depend as much on the additive package for shear stability. So far no BITOG UOAs on the ConocoPhillips synthetic blend 10W-30 SM oils. (someone correct me if I've missed any) I bought a load of the TropArtic, but I just finished off the last of my stock of Chevron Supreme 10W-30 SL less than 500 miles ago, so I'm out of the loop for furnishing a UOA on the TropArtic for a while. When one does show up, though, I have a gut feeling it'll send conventional oil BITOGers packing to clean out any remaining stock at Dollar Tree Stores if they are, indeed, closing out due to wholesale pricing increases. (Thank YOU so very much, OPEC!)

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thanks Ray....you gave me more of what I was looking for....a comparision. anyone care to debate this or add to it?