Very few choose the path of any tracker instead they simply spend that money to add panels to the fixed mount.
Hasty assessment---three reasons a homeowner should buy solar panels for their home
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Very few choose the path of any tracker instead they simply spend that money to add panels to the fixed mount.
Good grief, that is pure state policy doing that as typical commodities get less expensive the more you buy.
Must reimburse those early adopters of solar.
Must reimburse those early adopters of solar.
That early adopter bill is .00003 per KWH according to Lawrence Berkeley.
Gotta keep paying for corporate bonuses, fire liability, ongoing maintenance, fuel and emissions, various programs....
Wow. That's incredibly low. Does the utility break out how much they're paying customers under NEM2.0 and NEM1.0 ?
Originally the survey tied it to .03 then they came back and added a bunch of zeros at a later date.
I havent seen all the supporting data for the study likely because I didnt pay, but the findings were centered around what % penetration was tied to what cost to all the ratepayers.
The overall penetration in the early contracts was so low, and the panels so much less efficient plus the age out effect that it was basically meaningless.
Very roughly commercial, industrial and residential use 1/3 of all power used. What percentage of early adopters got this deal? Assuming your average state rate is maybe 40 cents?? that would mean 0.00003/40 x 3 would equate to two households per 100,000 households got this deal.
Google tells me there are 13 million households in California, so 13M/100K x 2= 260.
So there trying to tell you only 260 households in all of California got this deal?
There blowing smoke I think.
AG, as a general statement, that's really short sighted. If you bought my house, you would get the panels as I paid cash. Loans suck and leasing panels is stupid. Costco, for example, does not allow leasing through their Sunrun kiosk.
So you would get my house, pay $10 (maybe $15) per month to run the house, blare the AC (98* today) and charge your Cybertruck. If the solar didn't produce for some reason, you are still on the grid. But knowing you, you would simply learn whatever you needed to learn and fix the problem yourself.
So what's your offer?
Whoa! I've forgotten about summer peak rates!
We need our Attorney General to go after those crooks!
And early installations were filthy expensive. I may be wrong, but some were like $60K ? When that was real money, to boot.
This is insane. Ludicrous is right
Amazing that we live in the same country and here I pay 10 cents kWr 24 hours a day plus a static $29 connection charge with no concerns. Actually because the $29 is a fixed charge the more I use the closer I come to that 10 cents.
I think I posted this already. This is our month of June bill. We are in summer here on the coast. Windows are closed 24 hours a day all year. I Think my water sewer bill this month was $6 more
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JHZR2
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Actually the cool kids are getting solar carports.
That thing is a “generator” replacement. And can’t bet meter afaik which would be the benefit of solar to begin with…
JHZR2
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$50k is stilll real money to anyone with half a brain and a net worth under a few $MM.
The real penetration will happen when it’s really every man’s tech, and people can back feed microinverters through a 15A outlet.
You know it’s all a moneymaking farce when the utilities can do exactly this on every single pole, but homeowners need thousands in permitting and specialty meters and shutoffs “for lineman safety”.
Right, but when you loose your job and live in a box, you can bring it along and power some string lights for the homeless camp.
PG&E has a monopoly in much of CA. When businesses are allowed to compete, consumers will have options.
Monopolies have little incentive to offer quality products or lower prices. The problem is it's too expensive for multiple utility providers to build their own infrastructure to provide electricity.
I got lucky jumping in when I did. It was part of my goal of minimizing recurring costs for the long term. I wanted all my ducks in a row, in case something happened to me. I wanted wifey to be set. It worked. Sometimes you get lucky.
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CA is the most backwards, ruined, over regulated state in the union. And with all the money and opinions, the haves don’t pay their fair share, and even more hypocritically, since their opinions and leanings, they pass the buck to others. It’s disgusting. So I wouldn’t use CA as an example if anything. Even sticking it to a bad monopoly. CA gets the situation that at least 50-70% of its population deserves.
Getting ducks in a row is working for now. Controlling costs works for now. But none of the solar equipment lasts forever, and can be plagued with obsolescence. I don’t know your style of system but it could be a victim too. I hope not.
I’m with you to want to level costs in such a backwards and horribly run place, when it comes to power and utilities. I don’t see a better way than solar. But the veil is off now on how bad of a deal/scheme it can be. And how some claims don’t hold up.
Infinity installed Longi Solar:LR6-60PB-300M panels and Enphase IQ7-60-2-US inverters. At the time, Sunrun told me this was an excellent solution and they could not beat the system. That's when I pulled the trigger.
@OVERKILL reviewed my system a couple of years ago.
The warranty is for 20 years. In that time, the panels will probably still produce, right? Just not as well. You can speak to that far better than I.
If they fail, I am still on the grid. In 15 more years, hopefully technology offers solution. By then, I might be pushing up daises but likely will have saved a ton of $$ on electricity.
California leads the country and the world in many many ways. I love it here. Opportunity abounds.
It's starting to happen.
People are buying these small enclosed stackable inverter/ battery things with a few folding panels and hooking them up as gensets. Jackery is the one that comes to mind.
People (millenials/ gens z) are even calling them "gensets".
Anyone that grew up on popular mechanics can build this from parts easier than a heath kit.
You can buy super awesome cheap stuff now online.
This is insane. Ludicrous is right
Amazing that we live in the same country and here I pay 10 cents kWr 24 hours a day plus a static $29 connection charge with no concerns. Actually because the $29 is a fixed charge the more I use the closer I come to that 10 cents.
I think I posted this already. This is our month of June bill. We are in summer here on the coast. Windows are closed 24 hours a day all year. I Think my water sewer bill this month was $6 more
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I remember these days fondly...
JHZR2
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Sure. My father tinkers with these for fun.
But. They aren’t grid tied, so they don’t really offset power bills or offer net metering setups.
If I’m wrong, and there’s. System that someone can plug in and net meter on a smart meter without excessive permitting and utility contracts, I’m all ears.
If it’s essentially an off grid system, then so what?
