Harbor Freight Tools, Again

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I used my $2.00 H/F hammer for the first time in 2 years yesterday, used it for 6 nails, probably won't need it again for another 2 years.

No idea about the nails, they were left over from my Dad, more than likely bought in the 1950's

Some of the money I saved helped me buy a Henry rifle, made in the U.S.A.
 
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I got a HF jack stand for my boat trailer as the old one rusted and had no wheel. As you crank it up or down the wheel turns with the shaft, its welded to the shaft, no swivel. Hard to believe they made it that way. When the wheel gets close to the ground you do not want it turning round and round.

Its been in the box for 6 months so I cannot return it.

I will live with it.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: Trav
There is a huge difference between buying a bigger vehicle and sending your own country down the Suwannee one screwdriver and toaster at a time.

I'm done.



Wait .... what?

These guys would be on UNEMPLOYMENT if I hadn't given them a job. So it's sending the country down the river because I also didn't buy expensive american made tools for them to beat on?

I'm sorry I even brought up that the cheap tools were holding up better than I thought they would. Sheesh.


You could have picked up a cheap B&D drill and B&D belt sander. Or you could have got some decent used American ones from a 2nd hand store or pawn shop. I've done all of the above.

The fact that Trav and JHZR2's points about country of origin being relevant ruffle so many feathers and get so many people's back's up makes it pretty evident that people are quite aware of what they are doing. They just don't want it pointed out to them.

There are inexpensive American/Canadian options out there. They may not be quite as "convenient", but then if people REALLY gave a [censored], going SLIGHTLY out of their way to get the American/Canadian product wouldn't bother them.

I get it, HF/PA is quick, cheap and easy. But that's the mentality that got the US trillions in debt in the first place, taking advantage of that quick, cheap and easy Chinese labour in the first place.


Good grief.

a) You are more than welcome to come down here and dig through pawn shops and second hand stores looking for servicable and cheap tools that have no warranty or guarantee of any fitness for a particular purpose. I'm a professional person, I just don't have the time for it. I didn't even have the time to go to HF - I sent my wife there with a picture of what to buy.

b) They are using a light duty B&D drill that belongs to me (not my better Dewalt) and my Milwaukee miter box.

c) Maybe they'll take this opportunity to learn some job skills, so they can get a better job and make more money, so they can learn to appreciate and purchase better quality tools.

d) or not.
 
I bought a Black and Decker drill on closeout two years ago at Target, country of manufacture China.
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But it's a shame that a member can't post their satsifaction wih a product without the holier than thou showing up to hijack the thread. But, Rand has it correct in his previous post, not surprising anymore.

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The thread hijacking is much less of an issue than the country hijacking taking place that we are griping about
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Thank God Germany knows what they are doing, because the rest of the civilized world is doomed. When China comes to cash-in the only country with any manufacturing base left is going to be that little European hornet that managed to start two world wars.
 
The most amazing thing is that some of the guys actually have purchased the HF tools themselves but still have the brass ones to give lectures to others. IF YOU ARE ONE THOSE, YOU NEED TO STOP GIVING THE LECTURES.

- Vikas
 
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
The most amazing thing is that some of the guys actually have purchased the HF tools themselves but still have the brass ones to give lectures to others. IF YOU ARE ONE THOSE, YOU NEED TO STOP GIVING THE LECTURES.

- Vikas

No lectures, just telling you that the free market is the most efficient price discovery mechanism.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
The most amazing thing is that some of the guys actually have purchased the HF tools themselves but still have the brass ones to give lectures to others. IF YOU ARE ONE THOSE, YOU NEED TO STOP GIVING THE LECTURES.

- Vikas


That depends. There are a few items that are unique to HF, and there are no practical equivalents. The global market is a good thing if it brings unique items to the market for which there is no alternative. For as much as some would love to make it cut and dry hypocracy, there is an extreme, fundamental difference between buying something where there is a domestic equivalent, and something where there is not.

From another thread that I wrote about this:

Thirty cents or thirty dollars, the reality is that our own choices have perpetuated the situation.

Take two examples - first I am looking for a new through-wall AC unit. A few years ago I paid a premium, a decent premium over the Chinese stuff for a 5400 BTU Freidrich because both it was higher efficiency than the Chinese junk and especially because it was made in USA. Today the Freidrich units are made in Monterey, Mexico, so I can't get a US made wall unit anymore. They are the only "North American" manufacturer by their own admission, but that doesnt mean USA.

Second is a handheld battery tester that reports impedance. Couldnt find one that was made in the USA, nor could anyone else. In fact, that specific reporting is very difficult to find in any handheld tester besides specialized professional equipment. So I was stuck.

It is saddening, because is it better to do without, or buy something that one hates to based upon country of origin?

Unfortunately that is where more and more products are heading, again, by our own fault. Whether $30 or $0.30, it is people, American people loosing out. Perhaps that choice is the American way, but I am saddened and disappointed every time that my selection in products is forced elsewhere, e.g. another country because the "choice" was made that was not in the best interest of our country and manufacturing base. As that momentum gets eroded by lots of single decisions, more and more unfortunate situations will arise.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
I bought a Black and Decker drill on closeout two years ago at Target, country of manufacture China.
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But it's a shame that a member can't post their satsifaction wih a product without the holier than thou showing up to hijack the thread. But, Rand has it correct in his previous post, not surprising anymore.

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I bought a brand new Craftsman C3 drill Friday afternoon. Came from the same place as your Black & Decker: China.
Actually, I went in to buy a replacement 19.2 battery and came out with the drill, battery and charger for $10 more. Still amazed. Didn't see an American drill in the whole store.
You and Rand have it absolutely correct, can't have an opinion here that differs from certain individuals without the lecture circuit taking over. Verbal beatdowns are available at no additional charge as well.
 
Originally Posted By: Tdbo

You and Rand have it absolutely correct, can't have an opinion here that differs from certain individuals without the lecture circuit taking over. Verbal beatdowns are available at no additional charge as well.


I actually take comfort in knowing that there's a few good people on this board that care about the
flag that Helen gave me. OVERK1LL is a good man, even though he's one of those thin oil people.
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: Tdbo

You and Rand have it absolutely correct, can't have an opinion here that differs from certain individuals without the lecture circuit taking over. Verbal beatdowns are available at no additional charge as well.


I actually take comfort in knowing that there's a few good people on this board that care about the
flag that Helen gave me. OVERK1LL is a good man, even though he's one of those thin oil people.
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Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with the message. I buy American every chance I can. However, there are times where it is not possible or feasible. Sometimes the issue is not the message, it is the level of tact utilized in the delivery of the message.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: Tdbo

You and Rand have it absolutely correct, can't have an opinion here that differs from certain individuals without the lecture circuit taking over. Verbal beatdowns are available at no additional charge as well.


I actually take comfort in knowing that there's a few good people on this board that care about the
flag that Helen gave me. OVERK1LL is a good man, even though he's one of those thin oil people.
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Yes, and the sidearm carried is from a forign company, Beretta, course it also is the oldest company in the world, family owned BTW.

Yes I also realize it manufactured here in the U.S.
 
A tip for all the HF shopper; if an item from HF is made in Taiwan, then it has a lot better chance of being acceptable than the one which is made in China. Most of the non hand tool items are all MIC but some hand tools such as sockets and ratchets are MIT. Usually their quality is acceptable.

If you hate HF, ignore this message!
 
I love me some Harbor Freight. Their composite ratchet is the bee's knees. Also love their box of 100 nitrile gloves.
 
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if an item from HF is made in Taiwan, then it has a lot better chance of being acceptable than the one which is made in China.

Agreed! The quality is substantial better in most cases no question.
 
Originally Posted By: Win
I'm renovating another building and some of the kids working didn't have enough tools, so I went to Harbor Freight and bought one of their belt sanders, a heavy duty drill (has the second handle for two handed force) and their version of a sawz all, and so far, in a month of service, no one has succeeded in breaking them.

And, they've seen some fairly hard service. The drill has bored a lot of holes in old petrified lumber, and a lot of holes in old, HARD, concrete. The sawz all has cut a lot of old conduit and old lumber. Their drill bits and blades are still pretty mediocre, in my opinion, and it's best to get better for those items.

I bought one of their fancy paint sprayers also, but haven't got to that yet. It will probably be a couple of weeks before I know how well that works.

Anyway, place of origin aside, the quality of their common hand tools has definitely improved, imo. I think they have moved beyond the "use once and throw away" quality of the recent past.



If they worked for you, congratulations.

The few times I've used (never purchased) a Harbor Freight item it's been clearly inferior to my own tools. I recently helped a friend install new hardwood floors, and when we were cutting the old flooring with a brand new, fresh out of the box toe kick saw (Chicago Electric brand I think) from Harbor Freight, the handle snapped after the first 3 feet of cutting. I had to drive back home and get my older Crain toe kick saw to finish the cuts. It took Harbor Freight almost a month to ship him a replacement. When the handle snapped off, the saw jumped out from the groove it was cutting and skidded across the floor. It was potentially very dangerous, and could have injured someone.

The wonder bar that he purchased from Harbor Freight actually bent while pulling up some plywood. I was pulling plywood in a different part of the room with my wonder bar, and never had a single issue. Needless to say, mine did not come from Harbor Freight.

I could continue to cite several pexamples of inferior Harbor Freight products that I've seen or read about, especially the Chicago Electric or Central Pneumatic brands (which are blatant attempts to copy Chicago Pneumatic). But examples aside, I simply don't like rolling the dice when it comes to quality (and my safety). A quality tool is much safer than one which may or may not break, shatter or snap off when in use. The quality premium that I've paid for my tools is well worth it, especially when amortized over the life of the tool.

Even if they have moved beyond the "use once and throw away" quality, I feel some of their business practices are at best shady and their treatment of employees is poor (look up the class action lawsuits), and it's a company with whom I won't do business.
 
I finally broke one of their professional grade tools.

A friend and I were working on removing an axle nut at the junkyard. We put a 4' pipe on the END of it and we were both pushing on it pretty nard.

I'm guessing with a total length of 4 or 5 feet plus 200 pounds of force, we were putting closet to 1000 foot pounds of torque on it. Not really surprised that it snapped.
 
i just picked up the 1 ton engine hoist, i love the new grey/red paint job versus the orange. almost always have had good luck with HF hand tools as well, they will continue to get my business.
 
I had the misfortune to use one of their 20 ton presses.
What a hunk of junk that is, the part that contacts the work wasn't straight it kept trying to press on an angle, dangerous as heck. The thing wasn't worth the per pound scrap price.
This so called tool was not even good enough for occasional home owner use, it is downright dangerous.

I took the part home and used the 20 ton Arcan air hydraulic and pressed the work in no time, straight as an arrow.
 
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