Hankook Winter I*Pike?

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Call Firestone store direct and see if they can install 4 snow tires for $350(or lower) out the door including sales tax. I'm sure they would want to keep the entire sale out of that store. Especially when you start mentioning the other tires you're looking at.
 
I have W409 iPikes for both cars, sorry had, don't have any for the Charger yet. No complaints here. I think they perform well in the snow, not bad in slush, wear well and aren't really loud.
Not much can come close to a studded tire on ice, unfortunately we aren't allowed to use them here.
 
Too much time on my hands today. Gotta go make some money now, but I wasted my morning completing and fine-tuning my potential winter tire list. As noted, these are all buy online, (usually with rebates) and install locally, though I will try to get local shops to price match.

If I get winter tires this year, they will almost certainly be in the first half (first 8 of 16) in the list below. The X-Ice Xi2 is tempting---but already out of my price range. From there, it gets crazy.

Some of these prices make me scratch my head---and trust me, I spent hours digging around online. Maybe this list can help someone else, even with another vehicle, put things in perspective. All prices shipped-to-door, after rebates and before install.

GT Radial Champiro IcePro
$165
185/65/14
90T XL
studdable
made in China
DTD


Hankook Winter I*Pike RS W419
$213
175/70/14
88T XL
studdable
made in Korea
DTD


Falken Espia EPZ
$233
185/65/14
86Q
studless/friction
made in ???
DTD


Eldorado Winter Claw EXTreme Grip (Cooper private label)
$236
175/70/14
84T
studdable
made in USA
Vulcan Tire


General Altimax Arctic
$237
185/65/14
86Q
studdable
made in Germany
DTD


Goodyear Nordic Winter
$238.76
175/70/14
84S
studdable
made in ???
Tire Savings


Goodyear Ultra Grip Winter
$239.09
175/70/14
84T
studdable
made in USA
Tire Buyer


Cooper Weather-Master S/T 2
$241
185/65/14
86T
studdable
made in USA
DTD


Dunlop Winter Maxx
$270.38
175/70/14
84T
studless/friction
made in Japan
Tire Rack


Firestone Winterforce
$305.25
185/65/14
86S
studdable
made in Argentina
Tire Buyer


Mastercraft Glacier Grip II (Cooper private label)
$308
185/65/14
86T
studdable
made in USA
Vulcan Tire


Michelin X-Ice Xi2
$317
175/70/14
84T
studless/friction
made in Japan or Thailand
DTD


Pirelli Winter Carving Edge
$326.38
175/70/14
84T
studdable
made in Russia
Tire Rack


Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60
$386.38
185/65/14
86R
studless/friction
made in Japan
Tire Rack


Michelin X-Ice Xi3
$397
185/65/14
90T XL
studless/friction
made in ??? (probably Spain or Thailand)
DTD


Nokian Hakka R2
$468.30
185/65/14
90R
studless/friction
made in Finland or Russia
Tire Savings
 
Had the iPike W409 tires on a 96 mustang a few years back and they were AWSOME. Maybe not the best for icey hard pack but couldn't be beat in the deep or nasty stuff. Good in rain and dry also.
 
Originally Posted By: faramir9
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Firestone winterforce are super cheap and handled everything I threw at them pretty well.

General Altimax Arctic are also great and $1 or $2 less than Winterforce, I believe.

Truth be told, I cannot find Firestone Winterforce super cheap or even semi-cheap. Firestone in general is price-creeping its way out of consideration for the frugal and poor, it seems. We only got a pair of Affinity Touring tires for my lady's Taurus since they were BOGO 50% off.

Where can I find cheap Winterforce tires? Thanks.


The price seems to be fairly consistent if you go online.

However, the price at their stores has gone up substantially! I was quoted 500 for 4 Winterforce tires at a local firestone store - BEFORE mount, balance and tax! Two years ago, I paid $300 for that set of tires from a physical store!

I just bought two of them for $72 a tire plus $13 shipping / tire. Not too bad of a deal.

I like the tread pattern for the deep snow we get sometimes, but I was disappointed that two of them have bad belts causing very violent shaking on the car.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: faramir9
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Firestone winterforce are super cheap and handled everything I threw at them pretty well.

General Altimax Arctic are also great and $1 or $2 less than Winterforce, I believe.

Truth be told, I cannot find Firestone Winterforce super cheap or even semi-cheap. Firestone in general is price-creeping its way out of consideration for the frugal and poor, it seems. We only got a pair of Affinity Touring tires for my lady's Taurus since they were BOGO 50% off.

Where can I find cheap Winterforce tires? Thanks.


The price seems to be fairly consistent if you go online.

However, the price at their stores has gone up substantially! I was quoted 500 for 4 Winterforce tires at a local firestone store - BEFORE mount, balance and tax! Two years ago, I paid $300 for that set of tires from a physical store!

I just bought two of them for $72 a tire plus $13 shipping / tire. Not too bad of a deal.

I like the tread pattern for the deep snow we get sometimes, but I was disappointed that two of them have bad belts causing very violent shaking on the car.


Thanks for the info. I guess $85 per tire shipped is not too bad for a 15-incher; still not my idea of "cheap." Here are some plausible options: http://is.gd/8z4zx7

I am a big fan of ordering sets of four tires online, with rebates, and installing locally. That's for a set....not sure how much sense it makes for just a pair of tires, since all the rebates apply only to full sets.

Miller 88: On another note, I have a friend in Manlius. I keep bugging her to get winter tires, but she is even less flush than I am these days. What is the cheapest possible option for 225/60/16 winter rubber in the Greater Syracuse region? Thanks.
 
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Based on the conditions you describe, I would recommend looking only at friction/studless tires, and not studdable. My experience (which has been a few years now) was that 'normal' snow tires (studdable) were pretty unimpressive on ice. This was with Dunlops, Goodyears Pirellis and Hakkapeliittas. Since getting through deep snow is rarely the problem for me, even up here in Minneapolis, I don't buy them any more. I only get studless tires. I call them "ice" tires rather than "snow" tires. My biggest problem is being able to stop at intersections where people have been locking their brakes. The quickly turn to ice and can take me by surprise. I've had Green Diamonds, Hakkapeliitta Rs and RSis, Blizzak Revo1s and WS50s, Conti Extreme Winters, (and this year, Blizzak WS70 and Goodyear Ultragrip Ice WRT) and I've found them all to be good, and all to be much better (for me) than the "snow" tires. Even though I have a soft spot in my heart for the Nokans, I can't honestly say that there is one brand/model that is/has been better than the others. I've bought the latest and greatest at times and at other times I've gotten last year's models for a great price. They've all been good--all much better than all seasons. But they aren't miraculous. When it is slippery, they all still slide. These reviews that say "They're awesome!! I couldn't break tracking during a blizzard!" totally mystify my. Not meaning to offend anyone, but...*really*?
Anyway, I strongly advise you to narrow your list down to what meets your needs. Then get the least expensive thing left on the list.

Good Luck!
 
Originally Posted By: faramir9
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: faramir9
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Firestone winterforce are super cheap and handled everything I threw at them pretty well.

General Altimax Arctic are also great and $1 or $2 less than Winterforce, I believe.

Truth be told, I cannot find Firestone Winterforce super cheap or even semi-cheap. Firestone in general is price-creeping its way out of consideration for the frugal and poor, it seems. We only got a pair of Affinity Touring tires for my lady's Taurus since they were BOGO 50% off.

Where can I find cheap Winterforce tires? Thanks.


The price seems to be fairly consistent if you go online.

However, the price at their stores has gone up substantially! I was quoted 500 for 4 Winterforce tires at a local firestone store - BEFORE mount, balance and tax! Two years ago, I paid $300 for that set of tires from a physical store!

I just bought two of them for $72 a tire plus $13 shipping / tire. Not too bad of a deal.

I like the tread pattern for the deep snow we get sometimes, but I was disappointed that two of them have bad belts causing very violent shaking on the car.


Thanks for the info. I guess $85 per tire shipped is not too bad for a 15-incher; still not my idea of "cheap." Here are some plausible options: http://is.gd/8z4zx7

I am a big fan of ordering sets of four tires online, with rebates, and installing locally. That's for a set....not sure how much sense it makes for just a pair of tires, since all the rebates apply only to full sets.

Miller 88: On another note, I have a friend in Manlius. I keep bugging her to get winter tires, but she is even less flush than I am these days. What is the cheapest possible option for 225/60/16 winter rubber in the Greater Syracuse region? Thanks.


Unless she goes online, Firestone Winterforce are really cheap. Only other thing I can thinks is if she finds an independent Nokian dealer. They usually have stuff cheap that is being end of life'd for a newer product
 
I don't think I've ever seen a bad review on the General Altimax Arctic. Only knock I remember seeing is that they aren't the greatest in dry. If you are going to see a lot of snow, that shouldn't be as much of concern.

Personally if I get snows, it is deal with ice and more often than not, just cold "dry" pavement. So I'm looking at XIce3s. I'd get the Nokian "all-season" if I could get them shipped to me mounted/balanced.
 
Originally Posted By: VicVinegar
I don't think I've ever seen a bad review on the General Altimax Arctic. Only knock I remember seeing is that they aren't the greatest in dry. If you are going to see a lot of snow, that shouldn't be as much of concern.

Personally if I get snows, it is deal with ice and more often than not, just cold "dry" pavement. So I'm looking at XIce3s. I'd get the Nokian "all-season" if I could get them shipped to me mounted/balanced.


For Nokians mounted and shipped to your door---not cheap, of course---see: https://www.tiresavings.com/

DTD just sweetened the deal on the X-Ice 2 (or 3, but I am looking at the 2). Sets of Michelins qualify for a $70 rebate as of today, for the next two weeks. That just might be too good to pass up....we shall see.
 
Tires-easy has pretty good pricing on the Nokians at the moment. My set of 4 235/70R16 Hakka R2s for the Jeep was $646 shipped.

The Hakka R2s don't come in 14" sizes, but in 185/65R14, the Nokian Nordman 4 is $315.20 shipped from Tires Easy for a set of 4. A set of 4 Hakka 7s would be $438.40 shipped. Those are both studded, however (but they're the only Nokian snows I'm seeing in that size).
 
FWIW I have a set of xice xi2 on my gf's 2010 accent.

Still a night and day difference over all-seasons.

They just work. They handle like a standard passenger tire, but grip well on ice and snow.

They have a slightly better ride than the Michelin Defender.

Not the best at really deep snow, but the car has something like 5-6" of ground clearance. It will get through anything that wont rip the bumper off.

She was between jobs the first winter they were on. She delivered a giant paper route for 2 monthes to get bill money. Never got stuck once. It was a rural route with the roads not being plowed and lake effect snow.
 
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Originally Posted By: rslifkin
Tires-easy has pretty good pricing on the Nokians at the moment. My set of 4 235/70R16 Hakka R2s for the Jeep was $646 shipped.

The Hakka R2s don't come in 14" sizes, but in 185/65R14, the Nokian Nordman 4 is $315.20 shipped from Tires Easy for a set of 4. A set of 4 Hakka 7s would be $438.40 shipped. Those are both studded, however (but they're the only Nokian snows I'm seeing in that size).


Thanks. To tell you the truth, TireSavings.com carries the Hakka R2 in 14" sizes. The price for the R2 in my size is so much higher than even the X-Ice or Blizzak it's a non-starter. A shame, since I would love to try it. The best winter tire I ever used was the Nokian Hakka RSi---two generations prior to the R2---in 2005-07. (Better days for the economy in general and me in particular.)

The X-Ice 2 with a $70 rebate, plus the usual other DTD rebates, is calling out to me. Maybe....
 
Originally Posted By: Rand
FWIW I have a set of xice xi2 on my gf's 2010 accent.

Still a night and day difference over all-seasons.

They just work. They handle like a standard passenger tire, but grip well on ice and snow.

They have a slightly better ride than the Michelin Defender.

Not the best at really deep snow, but the car has something like 5-6" of ground clearance. It will get through anything that wont rip the bumper off.

She was between jobs the first winter they were on. She delivered a giant paper route for 2 monthes to get bill money. Never got stuck once. It was a rural route with the roads not being plowed and lake effect snow.


Thanks for the info. My Saturn weights almost the same as an '09 Accent. Interesting. Could happen.
 
Originally Posted By: faramir9
Thanks. To tell you the truth, TireSavings.com carries the Hakka R2 in 14" sizes. The price for the R2 in my size is so much higher than even the X-Ice or Blizzak it's a non-starter. A shame, since I would love to try it. The best winter tire I ever used was the Nokian Hakka RSi---two generations prior to the R2---in 2005-07. (Better days for the economy in general and me in particular.)

The X-Ice 2 with a $70 rebate, plus the usual other DTD rebates, is calling out to me. Maybe....


A friend of mine runs xi2s on a Jetta wagon and likes them.

Interesting that tires-easy doesn't carry them in 14" if they're available. Maybe they're just too slow-selling.
 
Originally Posted By: faramir9
So, the only decent winter tire I can afford this year, (send us some of that alleged Recovery, please) is the Hankook Winter I*Pike. Opinions?

Not that I absolutely _need_ winter tires. My H727s, installed in November 2012, have less than 10k miles on them and did well in their first winter last year. I don't need to drive for work or at night as much as I once did. So if I can't find a great deal on winter rubber I will survive, but:

All else equal I like to run winter tires when I can. We get black ice, snow squalls and freeze/re-freeze syndrome pretty often, though our annual snowfall totals are not huge.

Anyone have experience with the I-Pike in these conditions? Thanks.

And no: I am not a Hankook fanboy and all else equal prefer to buy USA-made tires. (or almost anything) For those of us on the fringes of the working-/middle-class, with heating season here, who need to count dollars when shopping for tires, (or almost anything) Hankook offers the best quality/value per dollar I've seen. Would not mind being proven wrong--especially with a made-in-USA product.



I could be wrong but, I thought that in CR Tire Test, the H727 performed better than their own, Winter I-Pike in many areas incliding snow/ice traction.
 
Had the 255/40r19 factory "V6PP" wheels with summer tires and picked up a set of factory base model 17s for 225/60r17 snows.
 
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