Prayers across Lake Erie to Ohio ......
grandfather in the hospital
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Nick, my prayers go out to you and your family.
Thanks everyone, he's stable now, still in the CVICU on a nitroglycerin drip, we should know more over the next day or two.
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: rjacket
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: rjacket
I would suggest you read up on this:
http://www.heartattackproof.com/
I'm pretty convinced that conventional treatments have no real benefit.
Ive not seen any useful info on that website.
LOL. You're one of those people who discounts scientific facts that are presented quite clearly?
For the OP, here is a fact that is very relevant about this approach:
Cardiac events: The 17 patients in the study had 49 cardiac events in the years leading up to the study, and had undergone aggressive treatment procedures. Several had multiple bypass operations. After beginning the eating plan, there were no more cardiac events in the group within a 12-year period.
There are plenty of other useful facts on that webpage. This is an area where what has become conventional wisdom has also become big business with lots of vested interests.
Here on BITOG we talk about the myth of 3000 mile oil changes. With heart disease, there is a similar status quo going on. Doctors and drug companies make a lot of money from the average American's diet. For different reasons, neither side wants to change. Same with oil changes. The consumer does not want to change, and the oil companies and mechanics don't discourage that.
Successful people think differently to the masses. Look at the housing bubble that was created. The masses need to follow blindly to create a bubble. The successful people still made money from the housing crisis. For example, all those people who were selling tips on how to make money from housing during the bubble are no longer doing so. They are all out there making money from the depressed prices.
Wow, nice rant!
I do think and analyze differently from the masses. But when I go to a "scientific" website, and the abstract says that without any detail on "the plan". Why should I dig around for a long time without any real insight coming to me at a glance?
Sounds like they are trying to reel me in for the sale, just like anything else.
The thing I will say is that this thread is about Nick and his grandfather, not your agenda or website, right or wrong.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: rjacket
I would suggest you read up on this:
http://www.heartattackproof.com/
I'm pretty convinced that conventional treatments have no real benefit.
Ive not seen any useful info on that website.
LOL. You're one of those people who discounts scientific facts that are presented quite clearly?
For the OP, here is a fact that is very relevant about this approach:
Cardiac events: The 17 patients in the study had 49 cardiac events in the years leading up to the study, and had undergone aggressive treatment procedures. Several had multiple bypass operations. After beginning the eating plan, there were no more cardiac events in the group within a 12-year period.
There are plenty of other useful facts on that webpage. This is an area where what has become conventional wisdom has also become big business with lots of vested interests.
Here on BITOG we talk about the myth of 3000 mile oil changes. With heart disease, there is a similar status quo going on. Doctors and drug companies make a lot of money from the average American's diet. For different reasons, neither side wants to change. Same with oil changes. The consumer does not want to change, and the oil companies and mechanics don't discourage that.
Successful people think differently to the masses. Look at the housing bubble that was created. The masses need to follow blindly to create a bubble. The successful people still made money from the housing crisis. For example, all those people who were selling tips on how to make money from housing during the bubble are no longer doing so. They are all out there making money from the depressed prices.
Wow, nice rant!
I do think and analyze differently from the masses. But when I go to a "scientific" website, and the abstract says that without any detail on "the plan". Why should I dig around for a long time without any real insight coming to me at a glance?
Sounds like they are trying to reel me in for the sale, just like anything else.
The thing I will say is that this thread is about Nick and his grandfather, not your agenda or website, right or wrong.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
The thing I will say is that this thread is about Nick and his grandfather, not your agenda or website, right or wrong.
Well firstly it's not my website.
Secondly, I've watched a good documentary on this issue that included the same doctor and follow the topic very closely as it's something close to me as people close to me have died from heart attacks. What he has discovered is frankly revolutionary and if you were truly someone who thought different to the masses, you would have figured that out with a bit of reading. Your excuse that you couldn't see it at a glance is the same reason the masses give for their ignorance!
But in this case it detracts from my message to the OP. So, if you can't be bothered to read, then don't bother to reply saying there was nothing there you found useful. Of course there was nothing useful there if you were too lazy to read it, so please stop trolling.
Now back to topic, as this is about Nick's grandfather, my hope is that the frankly revolutionary findings and results over 20 years of research by this now 78 year old physician who worked at a heart care center would prove to be compelling and in turn give hope to Nick and his grandfather.
The 5th paragraph (my apologies it wasn't visible at a glance):
"The proof is in the results. The patients in Dr. Esselstyn’s initial study came to him with advanced coronary artery disease. Despite the aggressive treatment they received, among them bypasses and angioplasties, 5 of the original group were told by their cardiologists they had less than a year to live. Within months on Dr. Esselstyn’s program, their cholesterol levels, angina symptoms, and blood flow improved dramatically. Twelve years later 17 compliant patients had no further cardiac events. Adherent patients survived beyond twenty years free of symptoms."
Tip: Glance a little harder. You may learn something helpful.
The thing I will say is that this thread is about Nick and his grandfather, not your agenda or website, right or wrong.
Well firstly it's not my website.
Secondly, I've watched a good documentary on this issue that included the same doctor and follow the topic very closely as it's something close to me as people close to me have died from heart attacks. What he has discovered is frankly revolutionary and if you were truly someone who thought different to the masses, you would have figured that out with a bit of reading. Your excuse that you couldn't see it at a glance is the same reason the masses give for their ignorance!
But in this case it detracts from my message to the OP. So, if you can't be bothered to read, then don't bother to reply saying there was nothing there you found useful. Of course there was nothing useful there if you were too lazy to read it, so please stop trolling.
Now back to topic, as this is about Nick's grandfather, my hope is that the frankly revolutionary findings and results over 20 years of research by this now 78 year old physician who worked at a heart care center would prove to be compelling and in turn give hope to Nick and his grandfather.
The 5th paragraph (my apologies it wasn't visible at a glance):
"The proof is in the results. The patients in Dr. Esselstyn’s initial study came to him with advanced coronary artery disease. Despite the aggressive treatment they received, among them bypasses and angioplasties, 5 of the original group were told by their cardiologists they had less than a year to live. Within months on Dr. Esselstyn’s program, their cholesterol levels, angina symptoms, and blood flow improved dramatically. Twelve years later 17 compliant patients had no further cardiac events. Adherent patients survived beyond twenty years free of symptoms."
Tip: Glance a little harder. You may learn something helpful.
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My father-in-law had stents put in and I was amazed by the results. Good luck with your grandfather.
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: rjacket
Well firstly it's not my website.
Whatever. You posted the link - I didnt imply ownership per se.
Taken this to PM - enough fouling Nick's thread.
Hang in there, Nick, and keep us posted.
Well firstly it's not my website.
Whatever. You posted the link - I didnt imply ownership per se.
Taken this to PM - enough fouling Nick's thread.
Hang in there, Nick, and keep us posted.
I unfortunately know what you are going through. We had my wife's parents, brother and grandparents fly in for Christmas. This was Grandpas' first flight ever. The flight went well. They arrived on the 22nd. On the 23rd, he got a little dizzy and fell backwards in his hotel room. He rested for a while and had dinner with us which featured some of my BBQ. He felt sick after dinner and eventually we put him in out bed to rest. At 3:00 am, we get a knock on our bedroom door to call an ambulance for his stomach pains.
The EMTs felt he was on the verge of a heart attack. His lungs were full of fluid too. Grandma, my father in law and I spent Christmas Eve morning in the Cath Lab. He had two blockages that had to be cleared. He spent the next couple weeks in ICU treating the heart issue and bronchitis. He eventually got stepped down to IMU for a week or two. The ended up putting a defibrillator in his chest to keep his heart in check.
He was then transferred to a Skilled Nursing Facility (Nursing Home) that a rehab wing. He spent four week there getting his strength back. We ended up getting them on a plane back home on February 14. He and Grandma are now back home in Florida continuing to recover.
I learned a lot during the two months he was in the various facilities. I also think I passed all of his grandsons to become the top rated grandson, even if it is only by marriage.
The EMTs felt he was on the verge of a heart attack. His lungs were full of fluid too. Grandma, my father in law and I spent Christmas Eve morning in the Cath Lab. He had two blockages that had to be cleared. He spent the next couple weeks in ICU treating the heart issue and bronchitis. He eventually got stepped down to IMU for a week or two. The ended up putting a defibrillator in his chest to keep his heart in check.
He was then transferred to a Skilled Nursing Facility (Nursing Home) that a rehab wing. He spent four week there getting his strength back. We ended up getting them on a plane back home on February 14. He and Grandma are now back home in Florida continuing to recover.
I learned a lot during the two months he was in the various facilities. I also think I passed all of his grandsons to become the top rated grandson, even if it is only by marriage.
I hope he gets better soon.
He was released from the hospital today, and is doing well, no restrictions or anything. Tough old codger. We are heading home first thing in the morning.
It good that he went to the hospital when he did and not lay down and try to sleep off the pain.
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