Good to see Amazon has $15 an hour min wage starting Nov 1st

[Mr Nice]

DONWATERS,

CNA folks definitely earn their money with very difficult work. Unfortunately lots of hospitals do not respect or acknowledge what the CNAs do on a daily basis.

 

[Blaze]

Originally Posted by sloinker
Costco has always paid a living wage and pride themselves on this.


and that is one of the main reasons I shop there and completely avoid Walmart. Walmart is a big no no in this household.

 

[Mr Nice]

Costco starts people part-time and it takes years to become full-time.

Costco is not all roses dealing with customers face to face and having to deal with complaints.

 

[tmorris1]

Originally Posted by Blaze
Originally Posted by sloinker
Costco has always paid a living wage and pride themselves on this.


and that is one of the main reasons I shop there and completely avoid Walmart. Walmart is a big no no in this household.

What is a living wage?

 

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted by tmorris1
Originally Posted by Blaze
Originally Posted by sloinker
Costco has always paid a living wage and pride themselves on this.


and that is one of the main reasons I shop there and completely avoid Walmart. Walmart is a big no no in this household.

What is a living wage?


Just google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted by Mr Nice
A profit sharing plan should be started for those putting in many years with Amazon.


There was a stock and bonus plan for those hourly wage employees.

It was eliminated as part of the $15/hour minimum wage increase.

So, looks to me like Bezos was responding to all the negative criticism by upping the minimum wage while eliminating other employee incentives.

Pure PR.

Shift the compensation from things that people don't consider to simple wages. Similar cost.

Different optics.

Now, most of the posts here are saying that it's a good thing that the employees are making more money, except that it's not entirely true. If you think that Bezos is being generous, or responding to the market, then you've been fooled by the PR because he is neither responding to a labor shortage, nor is he giving away AMZN's money...

 

[Mr Nice]

Working 20 hours per week at Costco making $12.50 an hour is not enough to support a single adult with no children....

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted by tmorris1
I just read a story that most of these employees may be making less with the higher hourly wage because they are eliminating monthly bonuses and reducing some benefits.


precisely...

 

[Mr Nice]

tmorris1,

Those warehouse workers need more $$$ now.... not 25 years from now.

I agree Amazon should have kept the bonuses and stock plan.

 

[tmorris1]

Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by tmorris1
Originally Posted by Blaze
Originally Posted by sloinker
Costco has always paid a living wage and pride themselves on this.


and that is one of the main reasons I shop there and completely avoid Walmart. Walmart is a big no no in this household.

What is a living wage?


Just google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage


According to the charts, they are paying more than a living wage.

 

[tmorris1]

Originally Posted by Mr Nice
tmorris1,

Those warehouse workers need more $$$ now.... not 25 years from now.

I agree Amazon should have kept the bonuses and stock plan.

I am not sure why this comment was directed at me?

If they can't make enough money at Amazon to live, then I would suggest they work somewhere else that will give them what they need. We all need more money.

 

[bbhero]

Originally Posted by DONWATERS
It is important to see how this affects other industries. I work in health care. A CNA, nurse assistant at a nursing home or hospital gets $11 starting an hour. For back breaking work, verbal and sometimes physical abuse and basically changing urine and feces filled diapers all day. They have to go to school and do annual inservice to keep the CNA certificate. Also have to have a clean background check.

You can walk into the Amazon 2 miles from me and get $15 per hour. Only a fool would be a CNA now. And it was real hard to find them before this.




Great , great post here... And I think that your thinking is exactly right..

And for all our well to do wealthy members here... Guess who will be taking care of you later on??????

Yeah. Those poor people making not a whole lot of money... Even at my place which is very, very high end... We pay $11-12 an hour dayshift ... .

Paying people hardly no money.... You may well find out in your late retirement years... Is not a "good" thing...

Recently we just increased pay for our CNAs.. I was very very glad about it. And I told them that I wanted them to get more money. And that I did not need anymore right now... I actually get paid rather well actually.. $30 an hour... A "regular" long term care facility down the road was going to pay me $4 less per hour.. and I turned that down... That place was a clusterduck.. God help those poor people in there. Again a place for 90% of regular people out here. I'm fine. I would rather the staff members below me be taken care of first. Get them an extra $2-$3 an hour... Now a CNA friend of mine makes $17.80 an hour evening shift. He's been there 10 plus years... Maxed out pay scale... But I'd rather he have gotten the extra $2 an hour. Which in this case he did. I'm good with that.

 

[thooks]

Originally Posted by Mr Nice
Working 20 hours per week at Costco making $12.50 an hour is not enough to support a single adult with no children....

Working at Costco for 20 hours a week isn't meant to be a job that provides for a family.


This country has lost it's way.


People used to work hard, work smart and work to achieve MORE IN LIFE, not work the bare minimum for the bare minimum just to get by and solicit sympathy. Entire families used to work to provide for the family. Did they complain? Probably....who wouldn't? But they weren't doing the minimum. The parents also raised their children so that the children understood that they were expected to work hard, acquire SKILLS (baby making isn't a skill), acquire knowledge and seek out jobs that they could use their skills and knowledge in order to be rewarded with competitive pay so they could provide for their family.

They weren't rewarded with government benefits for having kids they couldn't support.

Again, working in a warehouse picking up plastic packages and putting them in a cardboard box.....as directed by a COMPUTER isn't rocket science and it isn't a highly skilled position. In fact, the computer is doing all the brain work.

Like many have said, when the robots get there, the humans won't be. McDonalds and another burger joint in CA are proving that burger making/flipping does not require a human. It is being done 100% by a robot.

Just like menial welding is done in most factories today.

This is like people sending their kids off to college for a $125,000 degree in English in which the graduate wants to teach elementary school. It's not a secret that most teachers gripe and moan about teacher pay....because their union tells them to. It's gone on for decades if not centuries. But keep on sending your kid to college to be a teacher so they can get a $38,000 job and gripe about it. News Flash: Teachers make about $38-44,000 nationwide, starting out.

Warehouse workers make $9-12.50/hour

Most retail is minimum wage - $12/hour

The rates aren't going to go up because folks THINK people working those jobs SHOULD make more. It simply doesn't work that way.

 

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted by thooks
The rates aren't going to go up because folks THINK people working those jobs SHOULD make more. It simply doesn't work that way.


I don't really get your point though if you have one. It's always been about supply and demand. Unemployment is low and workers can be a bit choosier as to what jobs they will take. When there were no jobs, the employer could dictate the wage and without too many other alternatives, the employee had to take it. There's no reason wages have to be at a certain level. Just look at Australia, their minimum wage is $18.29 an hour which is almost $13 US dollars.

 

[bbhero]

Not trying to give you a hard time here wolf. Not at all. I'm just thinking on the fly here about this.. hope you've had a good day today.



True.. but is it feasible to pay a " true" living wage everywhere?? NY City that would mean way, way, way more than $15 an hour. Same in LA, Seattle, SF, San Jose etc..

We can't keep jobs here has it is... especially non shilled or semi skilled positions...

Don't know. But there is a lot to this circumstance. And a lot wrong with many factors involved. Many.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted by thooks
...
During college, I went to school basically M-F 7:45-3:00, then worked full-time (40 hours a week) in a grocery store from 4-10 M-F and 10 hours on Saturday. After that, I have worked side jobs doing electrical / plumbing work at nights/weekends and other side work.
....



Did you get your medical degree yet? FFS, you went to college literally 40 hrs a week? Really?

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted by thooks
...

Again, working in a warehouse picking up plastic packages and putting them in a cardboard box.....as directed by a COMPUTER isn't rocket science and it isn't a highly skilled position. In fact, the computer is doing all the brain work.
...



Is that what you learned in your 40-hour a week college? I mean most in college manage their schedules and really don't spend all day on campus, then sell newspapers at night. You were either an incredibly inept at planning your courses, or just make up complete [censored] every post to reinforce your nonsense mantra. Between the racist dog-whistle "welfare-queen" myths and massive reams of complete cliche [censored] in every post, it's all just nonsense...

In your day, if you wanna go back to what a sleeve-rolling working man entrepreneur you are you silly workoholic, the middle class worker made far more in relation to how well the economy was doing and often had access to a company pension, not a 401K. Now, the wealth is gravitating to the top 1%. Middle class wages have been stagnant for at least 30 years and CEO's earn FAR more than they ever did in the 40's,-90's. If you require any substantive date or links, you're more than welcome. But I noticed you never seem to provide any for your talking point cliches...

 

[02SE]

You seem to be full of excuses as to why people can't succeed today. Sitting around making those excuses, IS a surefire way to ensure that outcome...

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted by 02SE
You seem to be full of excuses as to why people can't succeed today. Sitting around making those excuses, IS a surefire way to ensure that outcome...



Which "excuse"? Please be specific. Because I never said "people can't succeed today". That was never my point...

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by thooks
...

Again, working in a warehouse picking up plastic packages and putting them in a cardboard box.....as directed by a COMPUTER isn't rocket science and it isn't a highly skilled position. In fact, the computer is doing all the brain work.
...



Is that what you learned in your 40-hour a week college? I mean most in college manage their schedules and really don't spend all day on campus, then sell newspapers at night. You were either an incredibly inept at planning your courses, or just make up complete [censored] every post to reinforce your nonsense mantra. Between the racist dog-whistle "welfare-queen" myths and massive reams of complete cliche [censored] in every post, it's all just nonsense...

In your day, if you wanna go back to what a sleeve-rolling working man entrepreneur you are you silly workoholic, the middle class worker made far more in relation to how well the economy was doing and often had access to a company pension, not a 401K. Now, the wealth is gravitating to the top 1%. Middle class wages have been stagnant for at least 30 years and CEO's earn FAR more than they ever did in the 40's,-90's. If you require any substantive date or links, you're more than welcome. But I noticed you never seem to provide any for your talking point cliches...


This entire reply. The claims of implied racism were a really nice touch... That seems to be the new go-to tactic these days, when one doesn't really have a valid point.

At any rate call it what you want, it just reads like excuses to me...