GM to Stop Making Gas-powered Cars

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If not, will cities install whole networks of charging posts like parking meters? Seems doubtful.

Maybe these folks that may just be poorer will be sacrificed. Or maybe we’ll have a fleet like Cuba’s where ancient gas-powered cars are kept alive forever.

I live in the small town of El Cerrito, CA

http://solvingev.com/charging-stations/zip/94530-el-cerrito-ca

https://evstationslocal.com/states/california/el-cerrito/

There are 9 supercharger stations at the main shopping center in town, two or three run by the City of El Cerrito, plus the Whole Foods market has about five, a small local grocery has one, and my apartment building is deciding if we'll get one.
 
For reference, back in 1982 Chrysler said diesel cars would be 25% of production by 1985. Most of my work was geared toward the development of a diesel lineup. That changed quickly with the class action suit against Oldsmobile diesel engines and the rise in diesel fuel prices. All my work was shelved.

It's too early to tell exactly how EVs will pan out in 15 years. But the trend hasn't subsided.

As far as infrastructure goes, the first EVs will make sense for the multi-car family, where at least one car is relegated for commuting and can be charged at home. Once that becomes popular, the infrastructure will follow. That's the way I see it.

I'm not sure how the infrastructure will be designed to handle a holiday crunch, where people hit the road before a holiday. We saw the fiasco in CA where people had to wait 2 hrs in line to charge their EVs during a holiday.
 
14 years from now....a lot can and will change in that amount of time....
We might not need cars in 2035. We will have flying vehicles like we see on the Jetsons. Other than batteries and the electricity to recharge the batteries I would say for many uses an electric vehicle would be nice from my stand point of I fixed forklifts and while not a perfect comparison an electric forklift was low maintenence and fairly trouble free. Caution though...there are no free lunches.
 
Speaking of diesel powered vehicles. About 10 years ago, here in the USA diesel powered vehicles were expected to become a more predominant mode of ICE for fuel efficiency reasons. Honda was in the beginning stages of designing a diesel engine that would meet US EPA standards but they couldn’t get it to meet those standards. Honda basically designed an engine that was a 100% replica of VW’s TDI, but they couldn’t figure out how to meet emissions standards. Honda even sought out the help from GM to figure out why they couldn’t build the engine to meet emissions standards.

Long story short, Honda nor GM could figure out why exact replica engines couldn’t meet the US EPA emissions that VW was meeting. So the rollout of diesel powered ICE’s were placed on hold until they could meet current and future emissions standards.

Then came the VW diesel gate scandal and it finally became apparent why Honda and GM couldn’t figure out the emissions issue.

Point being, 15 years is a loooooong way out in the future. So many things can and will change by then.
 
I've seen a few charging stations going up in my area. I'ts a matter of time folks. I'm sure Bitog isn't the only place where the questions brought up here have been asked.
 
Two pictures I once saw of the City of Toronto 10 years apart. Photo one was in the teens and the streets were full of horse and just a car or two, Photo two ten years later should a city of cars and the horse almost crowded out.
I worked on electric trucks with on board batteries the K1050E for Kiruna, they were primitive using 80s technology in a 90s production machine used into the 00s ( a 50 ton off road haul truck for mining ). The second generation stunned me with its simplicity and improvements ( and steps backward like the diesel electric back up drive instead of the batteries ). Now 10+1 years after that a third generation of improved electric off road machines confront me, and I am shying away from as much as I can.

The first generation were hard to work on and clumsy designs but at least I could understand the components, the second generation adopted racks of modular components that you did not fix, you just towed the heap to a shop and replaced a rack you did not need to know what the black boxes did or see the software it was running. The next generation will be completely un-serviceable and you not fix it yourself you will have to pay someone to come in and do everything.

A new level of rent seeking will find its way into your life. The car will not be the expensive bit or the electricity that powers it, the software that runs it all is where the money will be made. Think about it when is the last time you bought any software? You rent everything now except the PC or phone and anything that is free is running a scam someplace that comodifies and some how profits from you the consumer and you will not be allowed to opt out.

I work in mining and its well known that the air quality is killing us down there. We had all electric mines built around a different concept of production, but diesel was cheaper so they decided to go with that. ( not everyone will die of cancer you know, its about safety as low as reasonable achievable ). Nothing here to do with being green or sustainable and friendly this is a rip and run business and the rules are changing, the cancer is hard to ignore. SO... We are an early adopter of this new fangled electric technology for everything from run about to dump trucks.

Back to the car:
Your local garage will not fix your electric car, they have no training, they have no qualified people. Imagine for a minute the hourly labour rate for a man that is a mechanic, electrician, an electronics technician and software technician. Your dealership might not be there because you bought the car online and a factory service man will have to be dispatched to service the car. These are huge disruptions most of a dealerships income is from service and all of an independent shops income is for post warranty cars. I bet you might not even own the car and chose to rent it to, and if you rent it then you might consider a time share on an autonomous machine because that's cheaper.

The disruptions will be huge, the effects on out economy unknown and we have not even considered this all the while most people just talk about charging stations and range. This technology could become a brand new way to suck money out of your wallet while your gas car is regulated into oblivion. I'm just hoping the city will still have a fleet of buses because I will need to get around in this new world and I am not willing to buy into another rent seeking machine.

Think hard about that. You might not own anything, software is conjored out of thin air and costs nothing to replicate once its produced and you are going to be asked to pay for that just to enjoy the privilege of mobility. But thats ten years down the line maybe, and I have a crap track record of reading the crystal ball
 
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Swap batteries?

A couple of brief case sized single use Aluminum air batteries you return for deposit to the electric gas station will hit the market soon. Then you walk from your depleted car and rent them, and two jerry cans of electrons will get you back home...
 
I've seen a few charging stations going up in my area. I'ts a matter of time folks. I'm sure Bitog isn't the only place where the questions brought up here have been asked.


A matter of time.....

Because of the agenda behind it....

Agenda to make money.... For people like the biggest purveyor of this stuff... Guess who's got money behind a company called Beyond Meat??? One guess....

And this is done to control every aspect of people's lives... Every aspect...

Yet....

Those "cool" people will live in their 2 big houses, fly their private jets everywhere, and do as they please... Because... They "care" so much... Let's see them live in a consistent manner with their "supposed beliefs".


It's true that EVs can work for a good amount of people in certain areas... True indeed.

But not for everyone... This is a vast, vast country where it is not a one size fits all.


And what about digging for the resources needed for the magic batteries ? And the destruction of land associated with that ???

There is no "free" lunch. None.
 
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So currently their total sales is something like 80% trucks and SUV’s, and in 15yrs the plan is all electric...interesting? I guess on the other hand, without a goal or vision you’ll never get there!
 
All the people that lost their pipeline jobs can start build charging stations in 2034. All jokes aside, if we are going all electric we are going to need to start building power plants and beef up infrastructure, because solar and wind aren't going to cut it for all of that energy needed. Battery life will be about 50 miles in the winter in cold climates running the heat.
 
So currently their total sales is something like 80% trucks and SUV’s, and in 15yrs the plan is all electric...interesting? I guess on the other hand, without a goal or vision you’ll never get there!
If they aren't selling many cars anyway it really doesn't make much difference. It said trucks would be gasoline yet.
 
Because of the agenda behind it....

Agenda to make money.... For people like the biggest purveyor of this stuff... Guess who's got money behind a company called Beyond Meat??? One guess....

And this is done to control every aspect of people's lives... Every aspect...


There is no "free" lunch. None.

They can keep you a wage slave, that's where the money is at.
Remember our economy is a giant machine that concentrates wealth and turns everything to commodities ripe for exploitation.
Even if youown nothing your still worth something as a producer or a consumer.

And even in death....
Soylent crumbs $4.40 a half kilo.
 
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