GM to Install Engines From China

[Alan]

Hey Ray H,have you had a chance to drive an 06 Sonata?

The handling is much tighter opposed to the prior generation and the engine is really silky smooth.
The deals you can get after rebates are insane(btw,comparibly equipped Accords go for more than 6K around here in the DC Metro area).

It's quite a car!

 

[JavaMan]

My Honda made in UK. Gotta love the Britts.

 

[like a rock]

Why in the world would Toyota want to buy

GM and adopt all the problems such as the billions to be paid in health care, etc. etc.

 

[reyjay1]

U.S money/knowhow, Chinese manpower[\quote]

I think you meant that to say "chinese slavepower"

 

[BUBBA0420]

Everyone blames the unions for industries
problems. **... Look what the Ceo's are making
If GM would build a good car in the first place
and STAND BEHIND IT'S PRODUCT they wouldn't be
in the shape there in now. If you think they
stand behind there product ?? Look at the piston
slap issue for example. As long as the bean
counters are calling the shots and engineers
keep building engines without piston skirts
there quality is not going to improve. Now that
they are building them in China and Mexico
and saving all this money do you see the price
of the vehicles going down ??

Sprintman: Global Econmy get used to it ??
First of all we have to have a level playing
field to be competitive. And unfortunately
our #@@ holes in government are selling the
US Down the river.

 

[speedtc]

Really GM's cars are boring and have a low quality perception in the public. In no way is it the unions fault.

 

[norseman]

Tony, I wouldn't waste my time. You can talk till you're blue in the face, it won't make a difference. There are just too many here that have their heads stuck up yota's and honda's A$$.

I recently bought a new everyday driver for my wife. I compared it directly with the CamCord. This car got better fuel mileage, had a better ride, the interior is nicer, and according to a popular car site has a total cost of ownership less than either the 2005 Accord or Camry. So I bought it. That auto is the 2005 Chevrolet Malibu MAXX. But, none of this would matter to those with their heads stuck up Toyhonda's tail pipes.

 

[brianl703]

One of my friends bought a 2006 Grand Prix. The interior on that is pretty nice (although I dislike the use of orange/red dashboard illumination).

 

[TonyMazz]

Thanks ! I appreciate the "heads-up"

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

Norse, I'm not too fond of your most recent comment in this thread.

I resurrected this thread as sort of a looking-back at what has transpired.

This topic wasn't brought up to have it locked due to rough comments.

I'm thinking it must have been a bunch easier for the Admin's to monitor this board back then...

Let's all play in the sandbox nicely with one another.

Thank you.

 

[norseman]

Hey TnS, I'm sorry if you're not too fond of my most recent comment, but that is how I feel and I also don't believe my comments are that rough that would warrant thread locking. Sorry my observations have offended you. I will try to be less offensive going forward. But, I still stand by my earlier statement.
Take care.

 

[TonyMazz]

Yeah that's why GM sells more cars that anyone in the world....

 

[TonyMazz]

January
2006 2005

Chrysler Group 155,465 148,111
Ford 202,044 198,252
GM 293,240 276,664
Big 3 Total 650,749 623,027

Honda 98,394 81,504
Hyundai 30,208 26,009
Isuzu 844 1,295
Kia 18,110 17,154
Mazda 18,177 17,059
Mitsubishi 7,497 7,318
Nissan 75,907 76,609
Subaru 12,384 12,340
Suzuki 7,210 5,414
Toyota 160,625 140,954
Asia Total 429,356 385,656

BMW 22,218 19,764
Mercedes 12,469 12,106
Porsche 3,232 2,177
Volkswagen 22,321 17,760
Europe Total 60,240 51,807
Total Light Vehicles 1,140,345 1,060,490

 

[lobo11]

An IRS study in 1994 found that 73% of foreign companies filling U.S. tax returns paid no U.S. taxes. The problem is the tax law in the U.S. which allows foreign companies tax deferments that indefinetely postpone payment of U.S. taxes on foreign but not domestic income. Furthermore 1998 for example 12% of the 1.5 trillion dollars collected came from corporate income taxes which foreign companies manage to avaoid through deferment and Tax Treaties which favor foreign owned companies. This doesn't even speak to the shady practices of shifting profits to the home country through accounting loopholes. Add these issues with the labor practices and environmental policies (or lack there of in the developing world) and you can see how the U.S. and E.U. are behind the eight ball for manufacturing jobs.

 

[norseman]

"An IRS study in 1994 found that 73% of foreign companies filling U.S. tax returns paid no U.S. taxes. The problem is the tax law in the U.S. which allows foreign companies tax deferments that indefinetely postpone payment of U.S. taxes on foreign but not domestic income. Furthermore 1998 for example 12% of the 1.5 trillion dollars collected came from corporate income taxes which foreign companies manage to avaoid through deferment and Tax Treaties which favor foreign owned companies. This doesn't even speak to the shady practices of shifting profits to the home country through accounting loopholes. Add these issues with the labor practices and environmental policies (or lack there of in the developing world) and you can see how the U.S. and E.U. are behind the eight ball for manufacturing jobs."

All true. Naw, buying auto's from a forigen company dosen't hurt the United States. BUY FROM AN AMERICAN CAR COMPANY: TO NOT IS FISCALLY AND SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE!

 

[OriginHacker21]

Considering that almost all the parts (Pontiac Sunfire) in my car came from outside the US... You wonder if buying a Honda (A lot of parts made in the US) is so anti-American after all.

Although I bought the Pontiac Sunfire over the Honda Civic for several good reasons - I can't find a Made in USA sticker anywhere on my car. (Mostly, Made in Germany). Nonetheless, I'd still buy GM over Honda anyday (Brand loyalty here).

When I worked for Dura(awhile ago), we made doors for Honda and Toyota with US Steel. Where are the GM/Ford/Dodge parts made?

 

[PandaBear]

Helping a friend of mine who file 1040N (foreigner) and it is amazing how people always just jump the gun on "foreigner makes money here but pay no tax" wagon.

You get no standard deduction, and you have to report all US income, all those tax credit and allowance that uncle Sam (uncle George?) gave us do not exist for the foreigners.

They pay same/more tax, but cannot get unemployment, medicare, or social security.

Plus, after your tax in the US, the remaining income is double taxed in their home country. The only exception to this is if both countries sign a treaty so their income is only taxed once. Fair deal I guess (for big businesses like DELL and McDonald's, but not much for individuals).

 

[Win]

It looked like the honyota crowd fired the first insult by calling the non GM bashers "knuckle drager's".

Gotta love the irony of being called a knuckle dragger by somebody who can't spell it.

 

[brianl703]

He must be an H1B.

Someone who has a greencard (not an H1B or other work-visa holder) sure can get unemployment, medicare, social security, the standard deduction...

...about the only things someone who has a greencard cannot (legally) do are: (1) vote, (2) work in certain government occupations that require one to be a US citizen.

 

[Propflux01]

Quote: "Noreseman" More than likely, it'll be a Hyundai or Kia."
Good luck with that!

I wouldn't look down too much on them if I were you, they are much better than you think, and last I remember, GM is about 1 step away from Bankruptcy anyhow (hmm, wonder why that is...), in fact, their 'junk bonds" took even a lower hit yesterday...