GM dropping Mobil 1 as Factory Fill?

[LS2JSTS]

Came across this posted today on an HHR board I visit.....Sounds like an interesting development. I wonder if this makes M1's adoption of the Dexos standard as less likely.


#PI0215: Oil Filler Cap Identification and Changes - (Aug 23, 2010)


Subject: Oil Filler Cap Identification and Changes


Models: 2011 Cadillac CTS-V, DTS, Escalade, Escalade ESV, Escalade EXT, STS

2011 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette

Equipped with Engine VINs E, F, J, P, S, T, W, 4, 6 (RPOs L37, LSA, LAU, LD8, L37, L99, LS3, LS7, LS9)




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The following information may be helpful in identifying and avoiding unnecessary parts replacement at the time of Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI).

Condition/Concern
Technicians may notice during PDI that the oil filler cap on the 2011 vehicles no longer has the "Mobil 1®" logo printed on the cap.

Previous Design Oil Filler Cap

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Revised 2011 Oil Filler Cap

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Recommendations/Instructions
Important: DO NOT replace oil filler caps because they no longer display the Mobil 1® logo.

Starting with 2011 vehicle production, GM no longer specifies Mobil 1® as the required oil for the above vehicles. A new oil specification called Dexos I has been created, which a variety of synthetic and synthetic blend motor oils meet.

Note: For additional information on available Dexos 1 oils, please refer to PI0175.

• 2011 vehicles equipped with DOHC V6 engines (RPO LF1 and LLT) are no longer built with Mobil I logo caps. These vehicles should be serviced in accordance with the Dexos I standard.

• SRX models with the DOHC V6 (RPO LAU) engine used the "Mobil 1®" cap from the 2011 start of production to August 1, 2010.

• All Chevrolet Corvette and Camaro models along with the Cadillac DTS, CTS-V and Escalade models will continue to be built with the "Mobil 1®" style cap until November 2010.

 

[StevieC]

Maybe because of their VISOM or whatever it's called GRP-3+ Base-stock not being what GM needs for their Corvettes etc? Or maybe because it won't meet Dexos spec? Or maybe the excessive Iron they saw in BITOG used oil analysis?

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
Maybe because of their VISOM or whatever it's called GRP-3+ Base-stock not being what GM needs for their Corvettes etc? Or maybe because it won't meet Dexos spec? Or maybe the excessive Iron they saw in BITOG used oil analysis?

GM just wants to push its proprietary brand. I'm not sure how well that is going to work out for them though.

From the same people that brought you the 3.xL intake gasket fiasco, comes DEXOS! The oil of CHAMPIONS!

 

[Pablo]

Simple math really. They make more on the Dexos scam than M1 bribes/kickbacks.

 

[StevieC]

Well we have Death-Cool from Dexcool, and maybe now we will have Death-Oil from this Dexos?

GM has their priorities mixed up if you ask me...

Most GM owners aren't like VW owners who are enthusiasts and will make sure they have the right 500 series oil rating. GM owners for the most part will take their vehicles to Jiffy-Boob who will use bulk junk, or the DIY's will buy products based on commercials they see on TV.

Only those GM customers servicing from the dealer are likely to get Dexos rated oil or ones that look for the spec specifically which are IMO only Cadilac owners and Corevette/Comaro owners.

Your bingo going grandma who drives a Cobalt is going to go to wherever has the cheapest oil change price.

And they release this now when they should be focusing on rebuilding the brand and paying back tax-payers?

Just stupid IMO.

 

[OVERKILL]

Agreed. They should be focusing on becoming a profitable car company.... But that would be a LOGICAL move............

 

[sunfire]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Simple math really. They make more on the Dexos scam than M1 bribes/kickbacks.


Except nobody is going to pay them for dexos licenses. So it my end up back firing. Burned bridges with XOM and the other oil companies.

 

[mechanicx]

Ford is going to "Death-cool" so it must not be all bad

? Why is it if one's going to speculate that it is always GM is in the wrong or the bad guy? Maybe Mobil bulked at Dexos so GM decided to go with another oil company? It's not too nice to not accomodate a large customer. Mobil is not the only good choice available. SOPUS products work fine. Dexos is part of GM improving their OLM and likely extending it, which adds value to customers. Dexos is not proprietary at all. It's not a secret formula only available from GM unlike some brands of coolant and ATF.

 

[sunfire]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
It's not a secret formula only available from GM unlike some brands of coolant and ATF.


Agreed secret formulas like Toyota T-IV and WS stinks.

 

[Kestas]

Good reasons stated above. Pushing Dexos over Mobil 1 means more profit for the company... same as botique transmission fluids. Though what will happen when the general driving public catches on that most any decent oil - conventional or synthetic - will work in the new engines? Dexos will then be relegated to dealer use (such as during warranty repair work) and those few who insist on having only the dealer work on their car (very few).

I refuse to believe that future GM engines will be so picky about motor oil that they would develop problems with the oil we have now, and not with Dexos.

I hope it doesn't bring a whole new matrix of oils from every manufacturer to the shelf of your local auto supply store.

 

[Loobed]

does anyone know what the "DEX" prefix of their fluids stands for?

"de" means to go down. decelerate, deduct.

"ex" means out or out from. ex-wife.

so "dex" means down and out.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Ford is going to "Death-cool" so it must not be all bad

? Why is it if one's going to speculate that it is always GM is in the wrong or the bad guy? Maybe Mobil bulked at Dexos so GM decided to go with another oil company? It's not too nice to not accomodate a large customer. Mobil is not the only good choice available. SOPUS products work fine. Dexos is part of GM improving their OLM and likely extending it, which adds value to customers. Dexos is not proprietary at all. It's not a secret formula only available from GM unlike some brands of coolant and ATF.


GM has had "specs" for oil for years, as has basically every other automotive engine manufacturer out there.

GM has gone beyond that with Dexos. What could traditionally be done with a "spec" or "approval" how now become its own being.

BMW has a LL spec for their extended drain oils that doesn't have them coming up with BIMOS - The OCI maker! As do many other Euro manufacturers.

It has taken Ford what, 20 years to switch from HOAT to OAT? Perhaps they did extensive testing as to not run into the issues GM did with it? As I'm sure you will agree, there were other manufacturers (including many heavy truck engine companies) using OAT without issue when GM was having the LIMG failures.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: sunfire
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
It's not a secret formula only available from GM unlike some brands of coolant and ATF.


Agreed secret formulas like Toyota T-IV and WS stinks.


+1. I highly doubt that GM makes profit on DEXron, DEX-cool, or GMxxxx spec oils. And I highly doubt that GM makes big bucks on DEXOS oils either.

 

[mechanicx]

And companies have also licensed fluids including Ford, Mercon for one instances. But which is it? Should GM develop an oil spec and give away to oil companies and eat the cost, meanwhile risking their engines on a claim that an oil company met the spec, or should it "get back to being profitable" and recrupate some of the costs for the spec and assure the oil claiming to meet the spec is actually tested?

As far as Dexcool, the point is the leaky manifolds were a mistake but it was a gasket issue as much as a coolant issue. But people still go on and on about Dexcool being "deathcool" just because GM was the first to use it.

 

[aquariuscsm]

So is GM going to start having their own "GM" branded oil,kind`ve like the Genuine Nissan Ester Oil,the Toyota oil,Ford Motorcraft,etc?

 

[Newtonville]

I didn't know Toyota's T-IV and WS were secrets, plenty of substitutes out there now. In regards WS I think Toyo was just a few years ahead of the others,looking to lower viscosity and raise efficiency. Now D6 looks similar to WS.

Back to the high emotion topic mentioned, dreaded M1 and Iron, and Now GM Sees It Too? I have glanced through many heated arguments. I have questions. Does anyone know what it, "high iron" means? 1. Aren't the ppm small in any relation to the whole? 2.Since it is soluble, just what is the iron compound in solution? 3. Iron wearing off a camshaft, as example, doesn't dissolve in the oil, does it?

 

[mechanicx]

You cannot really get Toyota T-IV, WS or their coolant either unless you buy their brand. You can only get universal fluids that claim to work as well.

 

[doitmyself]

Originally Posted By: Loobed
does anyone know what the "DEX" prefix of their fluids stands for?

"de" means to go down. decelerate, deduct.

"ex" means out or out from. ex-wife.

so "dex" means down and out.

Sorry guys, couldn't help it. My bad.

Gus Portokalos: You know, the root of the word Miller is a Greek word. Miller come from the Greek word "milo," which is mean "apple," so there you go. As many of you know, our name, Portokalos, is come from the Greek word "portokali," which mean "orange." So, okay? Here tonight, we have, ah, apple and orange. We all different, but in the end, we all fruit.

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Simple math really. They make more on the Dexos scam than M1 bribes/kickbacks.

Pablo...."bribes/kickbacks"...do you have any varifiable PROOF that this has taken place?

If you do...please post it. I would be very interested in seeing it.

If you don't...please post a retraction.

As a dealer of another oil product...IMHO...its not very professional to denigrate another compeating company.
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2003 Ford Focus SE (2.3L) / 88K
Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w20 / OCI: 1 year or 10K +/-
Mobil 1 Extended Performance Filter

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: doitmyself