Global warming - polite discussion

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It blows my mind that people reject science, and think that we as humans couldn't possibly impact our climate in the slightest bit.

I mean what do those scientists that their only job is to study our climate know?
 
Yup. But ... Scientists make or break their reputation on getting published. It's just the way it is. And publishers (even journals) are always looking for articles that will catch the public's, or peers, attention. So there is some slight bias built into the system. I'm not saying it's not happening, but it's a little like a polite version of the evening news ...

There are a number of interrelated issues. CO2 (and other gasses are one). Solar activity is another. Orbital mechanics and Earths tilt are another. The shape and distribution of continental land masses is another (where do you think all that oil in Russia, the North Sea, and Alaska/Canada came from...).

And how hot was the Earth in the past when there were air breathing creatures walking around?

We know about the cold from glacial evidence. And repeated glacial events. But the evidence of the heat peaks in between is harder to tease out ...

Sure a bunch of billions of people engaged in some sort of survival (cooking for one) and livelihood activities is a factor (including burning fossil fuels). But all that carbon underground was once free in the atmosphere in the past. And we still have trillions of barrels underground in proven reserves, leave alone new discoveries ...

There have been atmospheric level of carbon that we can't even imagine on Earth before. I'm not saying go there, but I'm not sure we are anywhere near testing the limits yet ...

Of course, it would be nice to have a viable gene pool off the planet if we want to test those limits...
 
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Even if global warming is a hoax, the actions to correct it, such as reducing oil consumption, improve our position on the world stage. The petro-dollar will be stronger and we can smite Middle Easterners who "hate our freedoms".

If it's more comfortable, we can come up with a different umbrella term that encourages more responsible energy use, that doesn't appear to give credit to Algore.
 
How about conservation ? Very tangible. I needed a new HVAC this year. Big buck difference in cost as efficiency went up. Went to government sight looking for tax rebates. Solar, wind, hydrogen ?

I just got a middle of the road system. Who wants to risk complicated control systems (that fry if lightning hits 4 houses down) ... when you can't find a tax break ...
 
Originally Posted By: Kuato

Hopefully this can be a non argumentative discussion.



LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! Yeah right... on this board?
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
You can't have a polite discussion that's based on lies and propaganda.
Your profile says you are a "reator", doesn't sound like someone with a background in science. So I'll take your word with a grain of salt.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Even if global warming is a hoax, the actions to correct it, such as reducing oil consumption, improve our position on the world stage. The petro-dollar will be stronger and we can smite Middle Easterners who "hate our freedoms".

If it's more comfortable, we can come up with a different umbrella term that encourages more responsible energy use, that doesn't appear to give credit to Algore.


Agreed.
Also, burning any fuel releases substances into our air that are of far more immediate concern than long sequestered carbon.
We have been very fortunate in having developed enhanced recovery technologies that are so effective that we've put a ceiling on world energy prices for maybe the next couple of decades and maybe well beyond that.
Instead of treating this as a free beer party, maybe we should be using this reprieve to develop alternative means of living as we choose to with substantially lower per capita fuel use?
At some point, we'll hit the economic wall in consuming extracted fuels.
Maybe we should be planning around that future way before we get there?
Anybody doing any serious work on fusion reactors?
That really would fulfill the original promise of power too cheap to meter.
 
We just had a election that rejected all the [censored] that's shoved down our throats including one of the biggest that being man made global warming.
 
Originally Posted By: dave123
We just had a election that rejected all the [censored] that's shoved down our throats including one of the biggest that being man made global warming.


That's cool and all, but Syria had a crop failure that "may or may not" have to do with "that", but the topic of Syrian refugees was top and center, and acknowledged by both candidates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...g-more-like-it/
 
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Originally Posted By: hatt
You can't have a polite discussion that's based on lies and propaganda.
Your profile says you are a "reator", doesn't sound like someone with a background in science. So I'll take your word with a grain of salt.


He's from Florida. They're really smart there.
 
I don't believe man is causing global warming, but I'm all for cutting down on pollution as much possible without destroying our economy to do it. Besides, there are as many scientists who say that even if we quit using fossil fuels altogether, it would still only lower overall temps by less than one degree over the next 100 years...
 
Science deals in facts, not hoaxes. The climate is influenced by man. Not much doubt about that. Which means man is helping change things faster or slower, whichever way it is going without man. Since the discussion went poli very fast, I have to add we just had an election where the majority said climate change is not a hoax. Why a minority thinks they are the majority is a whole other topic.
 
Climate change has been around since the Earth was formed,and will always be around and will always be changing. Change is constant in every aspect of existence. Heck,we've been having ice down here on the coast the past few winters.
 
Another thing,science is never proven beyond a reasonable doubt and is not always an absolute,as knowledge is always changing,growing,and evolving. Science of years ago is not the same as science today,and will not be the same as science in the millions of years to come. There was a time when doctors and scientists thought headaches were caused by evil spirits in your head,so they'd cut holes in your skull to let them out.
 
I don't know about global warming or human influenced climate change. Look at Beijing. Look at what LA looked like until pollution controls were put into place. Look at the changes in the Hudson River and Lake Erie. It just seems logical that we would want to spew as little toxic garbage into the environment around us as possible. There is more to life than money, you know? Seems like most arguments against the existence of human influenced climate change are geared toward earning the quick buck. Overall, that is not a good strategy no matter what the truth or personal opinion happens to be. Plenty of people are making plenty of money right now. When is it enough?
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
It just seems logical that we would want to spew as little toxic garbage into the environment around us as possible.


I definitely agree with this.
 
The top 2400 Scientists that comprise the U.S. National Academy of Sciences says it is 95% certain. University Research groups agree, and the National Academies of every other nation agree. On the other hand you have Heartland Institute, Rush Limnbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck on the opposite side. Yea I'll believe Rush and Co. lol.

Its easy to come up with a conclusion if you don't/can't understand science. Heck even Exxon Mobil understands it and has for 30+ years.IBTL
 
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Mother Earth can heal herself,but there has to be a balance. Kind of like you can't put more food into your body at a time than what it can hold before it cleanses itself.
 
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